drawing the ball

[BrianW]

Re: drawing the ball

'Open to' has to be qualified. Open to target can still be closed to the path - producing draw spin. But open to path will always produce cut spin. That's all. Personally, I have an out to in path of 10° relative to target. My face angle relative to target is 3° closed. Do I hit a slice or hook?

Ben, If your swing path is 10 deg left of target, it is your swing path wherever it is. If your face angle differs to the path then the ball will travel between the path and face angle but closer to the face angle, that's all I am saying and I think you agree with that statement. Whether you describe the face as open or closed to target or swingpath is semantics and I do not wish to comment further on that point.

[LowPost42]

Re: drawing the ball

Ben, If your swing path is 10 deg left of target, it is your swing path wherever it is. If your face angle differs to the path then the ball will travel between the path and face angle but closer to the face angle, that's all I am saying and I think you agree with that statement. Whether you describe the face as open or closed to target or swingpath is semantics and I do not wish to comment further on that point.

I do agree that FA plays the bigger role. However, I disagree that relative to target and relative to path is semantics.

'Open' isn't definitive enough. With my 10° out to in path, and a face square to target, the face is also 10° open to the path.

So which is it? Is my face open or square?

Well, the answer depends on what I'm referencing - path or target, respectively. That's all I'm getting at.

[BrianW]

Re: drawing the ball

I do agree that FA plays the bigger role. However, I disagree that relative to target and relative to path is semantics.

'Open' isn't definitive enough. With my 10° out to in path, and a face square to target, the face is also 10° open to the path.

So which is it? Is my face open or square?

Well, the answer depends on what I'm referencing - path or target, respectively. That's all I'm getting at.

The ball doesn't know anything about out to in or in to out, or where the target is. It only knows the direction or path the clubface strikes it and whether the blow was square or angled and how hard it was hit, it will react quite predictably to these factors.

[LowPost42]

Re: drawing the ball

The ball doesn't know anything about out to in or in to out, or where the target is. It only knows the direction or path the clubface strikes it and whether the blow was square or angled and how hard it was hit, it will react quite predictably to these factors.

The ball?! Who said anything about the ball!!

LOL - I got ya now... thanks.

[edshaw]

Re: drawing the ball

Does anyone have an opinion on whether, or not the brand name, manufacturing process, or the design of a club face makes shaping shots easier, and/or tougher to accomplish? How about about the many different types of shafts, or materials? GJS

(1) I recently read a statement by a touring pro that he had
the lie of his long irons bent 3 degrees upright to make it
easier for him to draw the ball.

(2) Here's a new grip design that shows promise:
http://www.feelwedges.com/shop/index.php

[BrianW]

Re: drawing the ball

Does anyone have an opinion on whether, or not the brand name, manufacturing process, or the design of a club face makes shaping shots easier, and/or tougher to accomplish? How about about the many different types of shafts, or materials? GJS

(1) I recently read a statement by a touring pro that he had
the lie of his long irons bent 3 degrees upright to make it
easier for him to draw the ball.

(2) Here's a new grip design that shows promise:
http://www.feelwedges.com/shop/index.php

Hi Ed,

Less loft does make it easier to shape a shot as less backspin is produced which allows side spin to take its effect.

Upside down grips? Guess it's worth a try.