RHD - Wrist cock/Cupp/Bowed

[tinny_mccann]

Okay still not really sussed out the right hand drill yet and have tried it intermittently for a while with no success. Hopefullly someone can answer these questions.

1) At the top of the back swing, both wrists should be cocked and the right wrist should be cupped?? left wrist should be flat or slightly bowed?????

2) That being the case, how should this happen in the back swing, as we should only cock in the back swing, as cupping will cause wrists to roll???
so when do we cup the right wrist??? if the right wrist is fully cuppped is the club faced not then closed at the top.

3) somone mentioned in another post the sensation to concentrate on is that "you should try and touch yor right wrist with the knuckles on you right hand"
Should this been done from the setup position in the right hand drill, or should it be partially cupped at RHD setup.

when i have tried The RHD the ball still cuts, which is why i have not really persevered with it.

I have also bought and tried and now lost, the secret, with the same results cut shots,

any advice?????



any advice

[GregJWillis]

Re: RHD - Wrist cock/Cupp/Bowed

Cut shots are going to be a cause of the hips and shoulders square at impact...you need them open to the target...i.e. getting around more prior to impact. This extra rotation is the one essence of the benefit of the drill that you get more rotational power.

You asked a lot of questions and I will try to answer as best I can:

1) At the top of the back swing, both wrists should be cocked and the right wrist should be cupped??
Yes

...left wrist should be flat or slightly bowed?????

A: I like the left wrist slightly bowed because I have a stronger grip. A weaker grip will see the left wrist a bit flatter (less visible bow to it).

2) That being the case, how should this happen in the back swing, as we should only cock in the back swing, as cupping will cause wrists to roll???
No, cupping will not cause roll. It only sets the right wrist into it's position. Rolling is a natural rotation of the arms as the shoulders take the club back and through.

so when do we cup the right wrist???
In the drill, you preset it at setup. This is because the drill is designed for those that swat. Once you master the drill, you are free to preset, or to let it set into the backswing...your choice.

if the right wrist is fully cuppped is the club faced not then closed at the top.
No. If you see a closed face, you are most likely doing something else to cause that.

[Rackster]

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Greg

If you've got the right hand working correctly in the drill and in an actual swing, at the top of the swing, if you were to open your right hand, would the fingers point upwards in a 45 degree angle?

Cheers

Rackster

[GregJWillis]

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Ya, that seems like a good angle. So if someone was standing behind you and at the top, you opened your fingers, the person would see your fingers pointing high and left (45 degrees).

BTW, I just went out to the range in the 100 degree heat (silly me), and put the Secret on again (hadn't used it in a few months (lent it to my Father-in-law), and this post got me fired up again about it), and man I love this thing! It is so easy to get away from the good cupped position and let the hands sneak back to a slight swat. 4 shots with it on each with a SW, 5I, 1I and Driver, then the rest of the bucket with it off, and I was striping it where ever I wanted it to go as hard as I wanted, any hight and shape. Perfect impact every time...no glancing blows. What a feeling.

I also attribute today's great feeling to watching Tiger and others at Congressional last week. Seeing right up close how easy they rotate back and stay behind the ball into impact, made me re-focus on that one item that can really be such a power-leak if you slide even an inch...your hands have to compensate and that just kills power and accuracy. Having the luxury of allowing the hands to just do their 1 simple action of finding the bottom of the swing creates such an easy attack on the ball and lets you do anything you want to shape the thing.

[chessbum]

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Ya, that seems like a good angle. So if someone was standing behind you and at the top, you opened your fingers, the person would see your fingers pointing high and left (45 degrees).

BTW, I just went out to the range in the 100 degree heat (silly me), and put the Secret on again (hadn't used it in a few months (lent it to my Father-in-law), and this post got me fired up again about it), and man I love this thing! It is so easy to get away from the good cupped position and let the hands sneak back to a slight swat. 4 shots with it on each with a SW, 5I, 1I and Driver, then the rest of the bucket with it off, and I was striping it where ever I wanted it to go as hard as I wanted, any hight and shape. Perfect impact every time...no glancing blows. What a feeling.

Greg,

I gotta say, I agree with you completely. It was when I ran across your website about a year ago that I got excited about the Right hand drill. Then I got "The Secret" and I now I work on it EVERY DAY. For me, it has been the single most beneficial piece of golf swing advice I have ever seen or heard.

And you are right, it's easy to slide back to that swatting motion...so easy. For me, I have adopted a quick little pump drill that looks just like the right hand drill and made it a part of my pre-shot routine.

The right hand drill on your website was the beginning and I just want to give you a personal thanks for passing it along. It is the best golf tip I have ever received.

Thanks Greg..


Chessbum...

[ThePuttKing65]

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I would like to contribute to this thread.

After a miserable round of 82 in the Captains Day Medal a few weeks ago, I logged on to this site to read what I can about the RHD, Joe Dante, the secret etc.

I read something that suddenly clicked in a massive way. It was a picture of a guy pre setting his wrists before he swings. Try and touch the back of your wrist with your knuckles. That was the key ! I did this and it was so different to what I normally do !

I practised and practised at home. I pre set my wrists and then swing back as normal. It improved my swing in many ways. I've always twisted the clubface open in the backswing. I know that now. It's no wonder I've pushed the ball for the last 20 years. This way I could tell that the clubface stays square througout the swing. It also improved my hip turn and I felt more in balance throughout the swing. The more I practised, the better it looked.

Anyway I had to wait 2 weeks to try this out. We've had massive flooding in our area. Finally got on the course on Saturday. My scores were as follows:

Saturday - 13 holes in 1 over
Sunday - 16 Holes in 3 over (From the back tee's)
Monday - 16 Holes in 2 over.

I hit the ball very straight and very long. The course is still very wet so it's playing long. On Sunday we had a comp and I managed to win with a 65 in a 16 hole comp with 3 three putts as well. Monday I hit 15 greens in regulation and had 3 more 3 putts.

The other thing to add. Although I pre set my wrists with practise swings, I just swing normally when I hit the ball. With muscle memory, you remember to use your wrists correctly when hitting the ball.

I am so excited, I feel this is a major breakthru for my game and I can achieve my ambition of a scratch handicap !

[BrianW]

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My standard swing is the 2 plane type with a few modifications to suit me personally, I worked a bit on the 1 plane a while ago which was OK. Recently I have been working on Dante's preset wrists combined with the RHD in the downswing with some nice results.

The best result by far is with pitch shots. I simply set the wrists, rotate my shoulders back then turn through smoothly with hips and shoulders while retaining the right cupped wrist. I can now drop the ball so deftly onto the green from 1 to 100 yards with a precision and control that I have never known before and all due to great information gleaned from this site.

Thanks Greg, ET-Al

[ThePuttKing65]

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I'm sorry but you've lost me !

I will post again with my scores with this new swing. The bubble may burst or I may continue to hit the ball like a dream !

[Mox]

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I also attribute today's great feeling to watching Tiger and others at Congressional last week. Seeing right up close how easy they rotate back and stay behind the ball into impact, made me re-focus on that one item that can really be such a power-leak if you slide even an inch...your hands have to compensate and that just kills power and accuracy.

That's one thing I just CAN'T make work for me.

In the backswing, you rotate your weight out on your right leg (for right-handers).

If you - when you uncoil - stay behind the ball into impact, wouldn't that also mean weight staying on the right leg?
And isn't that then effectively the same as reverse pivoting?

[GregJWillis]

Re: RHD - Wrist cock/Cupp/Bowed

Not a reverse pivot at all. You still move weight to the front leg into impact. Staying behind the ball means that your upper body does not get lazy and just slide/fall forward too far. There is going to be "slight" movement, just not a lot. Your head wants to stay behind the ball, and this gives you that "reverse C" look. Moving too far forward causes all sorts of issues that your hands have to compensate to hit it straight and the power leak issues.

[BrianW]

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That's one thing I just CAN'T make work for me.

In the backswing, you rotate your weight out on your right leg (for right-handers).

If you - when you uncoil - stay behind the ball into impact, wouldn't that also mean weight staying on the right leg?
And isn't that then effectively the same as reverse pivoting?

Mox,

take a look at the post I made here in #8 (I think) the one with the picture, I think it will explain?

http://www.golf-tuition-online.com/g...-over-top.html

[killer]

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Greg,
Iam a firm belaiver in the secret.
could you advise where in the swing would the feeling of releasing the club start. in relation to striking the ball,
or would the angle be held through the shot.

Thanks

Ya, that seems like a good angle. So if someone was standing behind you and at the top, you opened your fingers, the person would see your fingers pointing high and left (45 degrees).

BTW, I just went out to the range in the 100 degree heat (silly me), and put the Secret on again (hadn't used it in a few months (lent it to my Father-in-law), and this post got me fired up again about it), and man I love this thing! It is so easy to get away from the good cupped position and let the hands sneak back to a slight swat. 4 shots with it on each with a SW, 5I, 1I and Driver, then the rest of the bucket with it off, and I was striping it where ever I wanted it to go as hard as I wanted, any hight and shape. Perfect impact every time...no glancing blows. What a feeling.

I also attribute today's great feeling to watching Tiger and others at Congressional last week. Seeing right up close how easy they rotate back and stay behind the ball into impact, made me re-focus on that one item that can really be such a power-leak if you slide even an inch...your hands have to compensate and that just kills power and accuracy. Having the luxury of allowing the hands to just do their 1 simple action of finding the bottom of the swing creates such an easy attack on the ball and lets you do anything you want to shape the thing.

[GregJWillis]

Re: RHD - Wrist cock/Cupp/Bowed

Are you wanting to release the cupped position in the right wrist? Then well after impact. If you do not release it at all, you get the club pointing directly to the right and almost horizontal to the ground when you pose after followthough. If you release it, then the club points more down your back towards the ground.
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Here is a famous shot of Hogan...never released his cupped right wrist.

[Mox]

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Not a reverse pivot at all. You still move weight to the front leg into impact. Staying behind the ball means that your upper body does not get lazy and just slide/fall forward too far. There is going to be "slight" movement, just not a lot. Your head wants to stay behind the ball, and this gives you that "reverse C" look. Moving too far forward causes all sorts of issues that your hands have to compensate to hit it straight and the power leak issues.

Ok - that's ONE swing flaw I don't have then

[tinny_mccann]

Re: RHD - Wrist cock/Cupp/Bowed

Thanks for all your input much appreciated.

i didnt realise that you could-- never release the cup, i thought it would release at some point.

i will try this out.

thanks again.