Simple Swing quotation

[ubizmo]

The following is a quotation from a free newsletter by David Nevogt, who sells the "Simple Swing" e-book (a sponsor of this site). I thought it might make for some interesting discussion.

"There is a very useful method that many accountants use called 'The cost/benefit analysis'. You may be familiar with it. The analysis is done to cut the company costs that do not provide a specific benefit. It's done on all the different costs of the company, and then the accountants can then analyze which costs provide a lot of benefit, versus which costs provide little benefit. Then quite simply, the costs that provide little benefit are cut.

The golf swing is really quite complicated. The reason that I wrote 'The Simple Golf Swing' was to get rid of all the unnecessary movements that end up causing many golfers trouble. To do this, I applied the cost/benefit method, but I did it in golf terms.

Just as an example, we'll use the wrist cock. In analyzing the golf swing, I found that the wrist cock at the top of one's backswing, produced great results for a few golfers. However, for the vast majority of golfers, it actually proved to cause MANY inconsistencies.

So it was simply cut out of 'The Simple Golf Swing'. That may sound too simple of a solution, but it really works. You'd be amazed at the consistency that is added by removing this one small move. See, the difference is that golf magazines or videos, want you to spend countless hours of your time correcting this small move. You would have many disappointing rounds if you tried to do that. It's simply not worth it for most golfers.

I agree that you must have a significant wrist cock to compete on the professional tour. However, it has been proven to me many times over that you do not need a wrist cock to hit the ball 250 down the middle of the fairway. You do not need that extra 40-60 yards that professionals need. All you need to break 80 is to be able to hit the ball 220-250 yards down the middle of the fairway. More importantly, you need to be able to do this every time.

Other examples of what you could easily cut out of your swing would be the following:

Lateral (horizontal) movement to achieve the proper weight transfer
All lower body conscious movements. (The Simple Golf Swing will help you to make the correct lower body movements happen automatically, and cut out all the unnecessary actions)
Extended backswing
Those are just a few examples. The list goes on and on, but the point of all this is that 'Simple is Better' for the vast number of golfers."

[Martin Levac]

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Without cocking the wrist, the swing arc is wider. The movement needed to bring the club into striking position is shorter. In effect, it allows greater control of the club. If some fear to lose power like that, consider J.B. Holmes and his 300+ yards drives.

Conscious lower body movements hinder proper control of the club because the platform, the legs, becomes unstable. An extended backswing also hinders proper control of the club for a few reasons. The shoulder gets caught under the chin pushing the head away from the ball and perhaps forcing the player to take his eyes off the ball for a moment, effectively losing focus of the ball. Some will bend the elbow to extend the backswing which adds one more difficulty into the swing.

[bdbl]

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I'd be interested in seeing some informed opinion on this either from one of our pros or low cap players so from some one who has tried out the simple swing ideas (especially if they're done with the e-book and fancy passing it on ]

[BrianW]

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I have not read the Simple Swing so cannot really comment. Based on the short bit of information from the add it sounds a bit wooden and restricted.

If there is anymore detail available I would give it a try though.

[ubizmo]

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The things Nevogt is saying are reminiscent of what the Natural Golf people say, i.e., average golfers need a swing with fewer moving parts, and should be willing to give up some distance to get consistency and accuracy. As far as that goes, I have to agree. The question is: does the Simple Swing do these things? I don't know the answer.

This is my 4th year playing. The first year and a half, I tried to learn the Natural Golf swing, from books and videos. I couldn't get it to work. Then I gave up and decided to try for a "normal" golf swing. I started over, really. I'm at a point now where I have my own swing. It's not pretty but it's approaching consistency, so I can think more about the game of golf, instead of the game of golf swing. As Martin says, from here it's all about practice to groove MY swing. I'm not interested in a new swing. But I'm always interested in other people's experiences with these things, and their viewpoints.

[GoNavy]

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Not having read this, my guess is, that all he is doing is getting the average player to tone down a bit. The biggest problem with new golfers and high handicap golfers is moving around way too much anyways, they overdo everything. I see it all the time, tell them to shift their wgt, they shift too much, take a stronger grip, they go way to strong, seems any advice is taken to mean if this is good, then doing it more is really good...lol...wrong...doesn't work that way. So when you try to get someone to not cock their wrist they probably do it anyways, but now it is done closer to the correct amount, without cupping, etc...and they probably shorten the swing somewhat, which almost all high HC overswing allot.

Watch any pro or low HC, and you will notice there doesn't seem to be any wasted movement, you don't see them moving around allot, arms flangling around, they does seems to be swing hard, it is because they have learned and know, golf is not about brute strength, but technique and balance. Once you get over that hurdle, you begin to progress very rapidly. So my guess is, the ebook aurthor found a way to get people to just calm down and swing within themself. People also NEED to understand, pros play golf every single day, we DON'T, I can swing exactly like a given pro and I won't hit the ball as far, why, because my golf muscle are not as strong as his golf muscle, I might be physically overall much stronger, but not golf muscle wise. take for instance a brick layer, go spend the day with that guy, you will be flat worn out at the end of the day, he does it everyday, so he is use to it, his brick layer muscle are strong, if you stay with him after working every day in a few months or a year, you won't be worn out at the end day like you were, because you will have become acustomed to the work. I tell people all the time stop trying to hit as far a the pros do, unless you play every single day, it ain't gonna happen.

[golfndawg]

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I finally understand wrist hinge......They have to, just a matter of which way I believe...........Goes back to BrianW thread on the swatter thing.....

[BrianW]

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I finally understand wrist hinge......They have to, just a matter of which way I believe...........Goes back to BrianW thread on the swatter thing.....

Dawg,

Don't quite follow.

[golfndawg]

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Dawg,

Don't quite follow.

I thought you had a thread awhile back on are you a swatter or a ? I can't remember what it was.....

LOL.......Maybe it was something like a twatter,heck I don't remember or maybe is was feel vs. technique....Or maybe it had nothing to do with this...... I was being distracted when I wrote that Who know's....

All good

[BrianW]

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I thought you had a thread awhile back on are you a swatter or a ? I can't remember what it was.....

LOL.......Maybe it was something like a twatter,heck I don't remember or maybe is was feel vs. technique....Or maybe it had nothing to do with this...... I was being distracted when I wrote that Who know's....

All good

Ah, Yes! I had that thread "Twatting or Mechanics" Thats right.

[ubizmo]

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I've been thinking about this a lot lately. This is my 4th year playing, and although my PB has dropped to 95, my average has been about 100 for 2 years, mostly on a course that's not that long or demanding. That's not very good.

My goals are modest. I'm a recreational player. I play for the challenge and the fun. To me the biggest part of the fun of golf is what I think of as puzzle-solving: working out the best shot and trying to make it. Struggling simply to strike the ball properly is not so much fun. My sense is that if I were maximizing the fun aspect I'd be playing in the 80s. This seems achievable.

So I'm thinking of getting this Simple Swing system and committing to it. Why this method in particular? I'm not sure. It seems to be "remedial," i.e., meant for high handicappers, and involves economies of movement. This makes sense to me. I've read a number of articles by David Nevogt on the web, and he seems to offer sound advice--nothing gimmicky (unlike Natural Golf, I'm afraid). And it's an alternative to using tips from a multitude of sources.

I'll do this as an experiment, and I'll post my thoughts and progress, if any, in my blog. If it helps me, then others can benefit too. If it doesn't, well at least it'll be interesting.

I will respect the copyright laws and will not quote from the text, unless, like what I quoted above, it's already posted publicly. I am not, however, restricted from discussing the *ideas* in my own words. Ideas are not subject to copyright; texts are.

[ubizmo]

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Some of you know that you have problems. You need to find someone that deals in these problems even if it means saving up some cash, because most of these people are expensive and have other people on their staff or who is able to consult with and who also taken the time to see why things work in the golf swing by doing, putting something to the test until you could find a method to make it work.

Some of these people will fall into some luck and find a swing to match with their problem.

I'm hoping I'm in the latter category. I definitely believe that in some way that I don't fathom my anatomy works against me. I've had lessons with well recommended instructors and spent much time practicing what they told me, with minimal improvement. I am skeptical about the Simple/Purepoint system, but curious enough to give it a go. Whether it works or not, we all learn something.

[ubizmo]

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Well, I tried it. Immediate improvement was promised, so that's what I expected. I found the system so incompatible with what I was already doing that I experienced the opposite of improvement. At the moment I'm doing better doing my own thing. So I took a refund and I'm moving on. I didn't give it as long as I planned to, but I just wasn't willing to do things that felt so wrong unless I really did see immediate results. I think the system might be better for a newcomer to the game, but that's just a guess.