What Really Matters? – Immutable Laws of the Swing

[BrianW]

Re: What Really Matters? – Immutable Laws of the Swing

It's funny when a thread like this suddenly starts up again and I look back on what I had said previously.

In the ensuring period I have become a "Born again 3 Skiller" so have a different take on the subject. Of course I am not opposed to what has been said here regarding spine angle, grip etc, but without trying to be a bore or "gild the Lilly" I now am firmly of the belief that that what happens with the clubface through the impact zone and how we focus on that rather than the mechanics of our swing is a good way to achieve great ball striking.

[bill reed]

Re: What Really Matters? – Immutable Laws of the Swing

hi Brian
don't you think if you had a good stance, posture and grip and then started to use 3sk your game would improve more than if you did not have any of the above skills and only used 3sk to get better.
i do think with the above three then studying ball striking (3sk) to be the way to go, what do you think as you know a lot more than i do about 3sk.
bill

[BrianW]

Re: What Really Matters? – Immutable Laws of the Swing

hi Brian
don't you think if you had a good stance, posture and grip and then started to use 3sk your game would improve more than if you did not have any of the above skills and only used 3sk to get better.
i do think with the above three then studying ball striking (3sk) to be the way to go, what do you think as you know a lot more than i do about 3sk.
bill

Bill,

3 Skills does have a little on grip, it explains ball position, club address alignment, the importance of club fitting, pre shot routine and a fair bit on imagery. The premise is that posture, stance and the swing vary tremendously between the best ball strikers in history so it is very individual as long as they allow the 3 skills to be executed. As the skills are practised the swing will start to work for it's self.

An example from the book suggests that:

if a golfer who is hitting bad shots is seen to be swaying to the right in his backswing, the cause may well be due to former backswing tuition, ie, keep your left arm straight, swing back as low and wide as possible, make sure you shift your weight to your right side, turn your left shoulder over your right leg, etc etc and on top of this the golfer will probably be thinking "I gotta get under the ball too!" No wonder a sway develops!

Joe Hagen suggests that if the pupil is given clear logical and simple advice on the task of finding the sweetspot of their clubs at impact their ball striking improves dramatically, their backswing improves inadvertently and they will have cleared their minds of totally unnecessary swing thoughts.

[bill reed]

Re: What Really Matters? – Immutable Laws of the Swing

hi Brian
thanks for giving me more information about 3sk i did not realize it covered the basics of the gold swing.
do you think its better to all ready have some sort of swing and already understand the basics or you think its better starting from scratch only following 3sk.
i would of thought having the basics first would be a good starting point but i have not read the book.
bill

[BrianW]

Re: What Really Matters? – Immutable Laws of the Swing

What is funny from what I have read, it seems like these are the same drills that have been out there for years or close to the same drills.

The Old Square Drill, you can use colors or numbers, divide the square into 4 smaller squares, number the squares from top left to bottom right, 1,2,3 and 4, place a ball in the center and swing from the inside of square 4 to the outside of square 1. The old drill was to paint squares 1 and 4 green and squares 2 and 3 red, then swing from green to green.

Clubface is open in the downswing and rotates around.

The poor little leaf and spot has been hit for years.

Not knocking the book, because what helps you is a good thing, but it proves a point.

I would never give a free lesson because a person does not have an vested interest in learning. Make him put some money in the pot and they become all ears.

It is funny how it takes something tangible for most to learn a new skill.

I like the human aspect to this all more than the golf tips that has been posted about the book.

You can work from the end of the club, the clubface or the hands. If the hands are not working the clubface is not working.

I also agree trying to force something to happen becomes your worst enemy.

Cmays,

As I have said in numerous posts now, the book has nothing new in it, the main difference is the learning technique not the skills.

[1macca]

Re: What Really Matters? – Immutable Laws of the Swing

My thoughts would be on width and weight shift.

A poor weight shift can cause loads of problems, a good shift to left side through impact gets all the swing elements working together well.

Width gives you space to work.
Cheers.