Swing Advice

[runner39]

any advice will be greatly appreciated, here are some videos

down the line:

face on:

the main thing I see is on the face on video, head moves back and gets lower on the downswing, as well as hips sliding, I guess this makes some sense because I am driving the ball well but my irons are poor i.e. thin, inconsistent distance and accuracy

[Martin Levac]

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Hi and welcome.

I'm going straight to the point. I can't tell what you're doing wrong in the videos because your swing looks good and I can't see the ball flight. You'll have to tell us what ball flight you produce and what errors you make. Generally and specifically in the two videos you showed us. Then we can compare your ball flight to your videos. And eventually, perhaps, find out what you do to produce that ball flight and to make those errors.

If I were to tell you that I see something wrong, I could be mistaken simply because the videos don't represent reality accurately. Then if you were to believe me, especially if I was wrong, you'd probably try to correct something that isn't there, something that isn't a problem. So, tell us what club you were using, what distance you sent the ball, how accurately you sent the ball there.

[runner39]

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I am using a 7 iron in both videos, down the line I hit it thin and to the left, face on I hit a pull hook to the right

[Martin Levac]

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I am using a 7 iron in both videos, down the line I hit it thin and to the left, face on I hit a pull hook to the right

I wouldn't have known.


General advice.

Stop practicing swinging the club without striking a ball in your living room. It's fine when you begin to learn. But it tends to confuse people when it comes time to strike a ball. When you swing a club in your living room, you must not touch the floor for various reasons. So, you swing the club higher at impact than if you were striking a ball. When you do get to strike a ball, you still begin the swing like you usually did in your living room (i.e. with intent to swing high) but you must now swing a bit lower at impact to strike the ball. The result is out-to-in. So, don't do that anymore.

Instead, when you must practice inside your house, simulate striking a ball in slow motion. Touch the floor with the club and slide it across the floor. Simulate making a divot by sliding the club past your right foot. Follow through. Repeat. It's only a drill, not practice of the full swing. When you get to the range, practice with the full swing because you can strike the ball and touch the grass.


Specific advice.


Striking the ball downward.

Do you try to strike the ball upward? Don't do that, please. The ground is in the way. You strike the ground first, the ball second. You strike the ball less precisely. Transmit less power. Launch the ball higher. Spin the ball less. Send the ball shorter and less accurately.

Instead, strike the ball downward. You strike the ball first, the ground second. As a result, you strike the ball more precisely. Transmit more power. Launch the ball lower. Spin the ball more. Send the ball farther and more accurately.


Controlling the club with the hands. Manipulating the club.

Do you keep your hands dead? In other words, were you taught that manipulating the club was a bad thing and must not be done? Don't do that anymore please. It's absurd anyway because the only thing you can manipulate the club with IS your hands. So, control the club with your hands.

The ultimate purpose of the golf swing is to strike the ball properly in order to send it where you want. In order to strike the ball properly, we must control the club. We must control how we strike the ball. The alternative is that we don't control how we strike the ball and send it pretty much anywhere. So, control the club with your hands.

Here's a situation. You swing the club and strike the ball. The ball flies somewhere. Where the ball flies is determined by how it was struck. How it was struck is determined by how the club was swung. How the club was swung is determined by how the player controls the club. The better the player controls the club, the better the ball can be struck, the more accurately the ball can be sent on its way.

The alternative is that you don't control the club, you merely flop it around like any old stick.

[Martin Levac]

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You didn't say how far you sent the ball in each video. That alone would tell us how well you struck the ball. It would tell us how much momentum you transfered to the ball. The better you strike the ball, the more momentum you transfer to the ball, the farther the ball flies.

[runner39]

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Thanks for the reply Martin but please someone reply that actually knows something about the golf swing, I have been fortunate enough to have had lessons from well known instructors, i.e. Brian Mogg and Jim Somerwine, my swing problems are actually quite easy to see even in the videos I posted, not enough hip turn or clearing through impact and hanging back on back foot through impact with a flip of the hands, an ongoing problem for me, I was just hoping for some good feedback from other people on this forum, all I get is someone talking about swinging a club on my carpet, I would not even contemplate swinging a club on my carpet because my wife will kill me!!!

please some advice from a real golf professional

[takinitdeep]

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Runner: Its Jim Sowerwine not somerwine.
In defense of Martin, he was just trying to give you what you asked for. Every player/pro has his/her own eye for things. I would not begin to give you any advice for fear you would not appreciate it. A little gratitude goes a long way.
By the way, I know Jim and he didn't teach you to swing like that.
Good luck.

Thanks for the reply Martin but please someone reply that actually knows something about the golf swing, I have been fortunate enough to have had lessons from well known instructors, i.e. Brian Mogg and Jim Somerwine, my swing problems are actually quite easy to see even in the videos I posted, not enough hip turn or clearing through impact and hanging back on back foot through impact with a flip of the hands, an ongoing problem for me, I was just hoping for some good feedback from other people on this forum, all I get is someone talking about swinging a club on my carpet, I would not even contemplate swinging a club on my carpet because my wife will kill me!!!

please some advice from a real golf professional

[runner39]

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Caught by the spelling police, actually no Jim didn't teach me to swing like in my videos he was trying to correct my mistakes for which I am still unable to do, Jim's advice was great - get my head more on top of the ball at impact and clear/rotate my hips more, he was using Nick Price as a visual aid for me, great guy and great teacher

[snowman]

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any advice will be greatly appreciated, here are some videos.

Listen to your instructor and do the drills he gave you and be nicer to people that try to help you.

[BrianW]

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I am suspicious of people that ask questions who don't want an answer.

I would advise that you at least accepted you had been rude to Martin and offered an apology, now that would take some professionalism to do.

[takinitdeep]

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Like I said, a little gratitude goes a long way.

[Martin Levac]

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It's alright. I get that a lot.

[Neil18]

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Ouch.

What an odd thread.

[Lester]

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I think your video shows "not enough hip turn or clearing through impact and hanging back on back foot through impact with a flip of the hands"... besides that it looks all fine to me.

[GoNavy]

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Thanks for the reply Martin but please someone reply that actually knows something about the golf swing, I have been fortunate enough to have had lessons from well known instructors, i.e. Brian Mogg and Jim Somerwine, my swing problems are actually quite easy to see even in the videos I posted, not enough hip turn or clearing through impact and hanging back on back foot through impact with a flip of the hands, an ongoing problem for me, I was just hoping for some good feedback from other people on this forum, all I get is someone talking about swinging a club on my carpet, I would not even contemplate swinging a club on my carpet because my wife will kill me!!!

please some advice from a real golf professional

LMAO...ROFL...That well fix him...no seriously, not really sure what your asking, maybe a varification to what your pro is saying, not to sure if anyone here can do that, he had much better access then we do. But, if you just want a general answer, based on what you said is happening, the good news is a hook is much easier to fix then a slice, basically I would just move the left (trailing hand) a little more on top of the club, slow that rotation down some. Looks like in the video, hard to see real good, that the "V" is pointing at your left shoulder, move it more torwards the chin, you'll stop that hook, stop that head fallen back too. But overall, your swing looks pretty good.

Can't speak for Cmays, but he approaches the game, much like me, the swings happens way too fast to really try to manipulate anything in it, just about anything you do, should be in the address position, and setup, which includes the grip, to fix things. You do that by paying attention to the ball after you hit it, which what martin is trying to tell you. So the fact that you hit a hook says your swing is basically sound. Cmays is trying to get your swing path a little less inside out, I am trying to get the face angle to the path a little less closed, either will work, you just need to figure out which is easier for you to do consistenly.