Setting the wrists

[ElegantlyWasted]

I believe that matter causes space to curve. That's based on a "theory" you may have heard of.

What you argue is a fact is really just your opinion or theory. I just did a search on Sportdiscus and Psychinfo for research on the biomechanics associated with a strong grip and fading a golf ball, and low and behold there is no such published research on the topic. I don't care if David Ledbetter, Ben Hogan, Rick Smith, or whoever says that a strong grip causes athletic or compensatory moves to the ball resulting in a fade. Anything they'd have to say would be based on their opinion or theories (none of them has ever conducted a controlled experiment to show a causal relationship). A meta-analysis of golf instruction would undoubtedly show that there were as many varying opinions as there are instructors.

A fade is caused by imparting the appropriate sidespin on the ball. This occurs independently of grip or set up. You could hit a fade with a closed stance and strong grip if you really wanted. Take a look at the books authored by a variety of "experts" and you'll see how incredibly variable they are in explaining how to "properly" hit a fade or draw. To say that players who hit fades using a strong grip "will ALWAYS fight a hook" is just ignorant. There are way too many other variables within the swing to assume that this is the case.

If your soapbox isn't too tall maybe you should consider hopping down from it.

[GregJWillis]

Love the name, and love the response...

[Golfbald]

Ragman,

Go down to your local muni where the old guys play. You will see alot of different swings most pretty good. You will also see your opinion go out the window.

Why compare the tour players to the folks who want to carve out enough to enjoy themselves on the course. I mean sorry I missed your Tour debut and everything, I didn't see it on the golf channel. When I get one of those big paper checks like the tour players get I will compare my game to their's. What's your handicap? What kind of question is that? When was the last time you hit a 325 yarder into a 10-15 mph wind? Handicap isn't everything, bubba! Stick to the basics, that's why folks come here. Write some Kooteresque posts about what you think people need to learn. I get really tired of seeing the one or two liners about someone elses posts picking like a naggy old lady. That's not discussion, hello!!! Have you wrote any good original thoughts about anything on this forum? There are many including myself who post observations, instruction from hands on experience, tested book knowledge, drills etc trying to help people or just general conversation. When this **** comes up it seems it's always centered around you.

If you want to have an opinion go find 3 people who have never picked up a club and teach them how to hit a golfball, teach them everything they need to know to break 90. You want some frustration, try it. I had a executive type lady who after 3 lessons played in a scramble today. She rolled in a 6 and 12 foot putt. The 12 footer was off the fringe and a left to right break downhill. She's not a pro but I can tell you she had a good time. She hit 3 good drives with a draw I might add around 180 yards. No high tech equipment just a Dunlop kids club driver and some Wilson kids clubs I lent her. Is she a 2 hcp? No, did she play golf, yes and quite well for 3 lessons. The majority of the game is made up of these people not the less than 1% on tour. Look at the big break and see some of the people on the mini tours trying to make it. Ask Greg he'll tell you. Are you on the mini-tour level? I'm not, and never will be. Do I play golf, yes. Do I belong to the 325 club, yeap regularly. Hope to belong to the 350 club by next summer.

I'm not an internet champ either, I loath the day you called me that and basically a liar. I put my knowledge on the line constantly. I teach beginers, and intermediates mostly, I teach intercity kids, I teach, damn it!. Try it sometime. Don't be such a putz that you think you know people you've never met. I really get sick of it. You clain to know so much, Teach Damn it!!!

GolfBald

[ianlwest]

Here Here!

Sorry about the one liner!

[aragland]

Alright guys...long posts...

What is it you guys want to say?

Get to the point.

That a strong grip will not cause a hook?

I like to teach proper forearm participation which will automatically happen with a sequenced procedure.

The problem is MANY teachers believe the 'strong' grip is a cure-all for all slicers. See Dec. 03 Golf Digest. BS.

MOST slicers need to educate their hands. When they have clubface control, their INSTINCTS will eventually tell them they need to swing more from the inside. Or I could tell them.

Clubface control. Clubshaft control. Clubhead control.

BALL CONTROL!

[aragland]

Back on topic...

Sure, the player can cock the wrist early, late, or somewhere in- between.

The later they cock the wrist, the easier it will be to maintain the momentum and release it later...power.

[Golfbald]

ARagland,

Can you go into detail about forearm participation and the sequenced procedure?

Many people I teach hear the forearms do some weird things? It causes a lot of problems when the release is not setup properly, agreed. Some things I see are holding on through impact because people you have to hold or delay the release. Then they flip there hands through or just keep holding and push through impact. Then there is the snap hookers who just before impact flip there hands through. More a swingers disease than a hitter.

Would you do a detailed post on this so a golfer of average ability, say 18 hcp, can grasp it?

GolfBald