sweeping vs.hitting down

[BrianW]

Re: sweeping vs.hitting down

hi brian

two pictures. one of a one iron and the ball and the face touches just under the center of the ball. the other is my 56%-wedge and you can see how far forward i have the shaft and how low it makes contact on the ball.
bill

As I said Bill, we are saying the same thing in different words.

My original point in this post was to advise that divots are not necessary with longer clubs.

[BrianW]

Re: sweeping vs.hitting down

He's not going to do this in every post, is he?

Looks like it

[bill reed]

Re: sweeping vs.hitting down

hi brian
i thought we were saying the same thing but in a diffrent way, just wanted to be sure i had not explaned it in such a way that it made it unclear.
cheers
bill

[ubizmo]

Re: sweeping vs.hitting down

Its the new karma sutra of golf instruction x kevin mcdonald pga

I thought we weren't supposed to focus on body parts!

[GregJWillis]

Re: sweeping vs.hitting down

I think he was joking about the body parts in the karma sutra...not actually asking a question (correct me if I'm wrong Ubizmo)

[bill reed]

Re: sweeping vs.hitting down

hi
i think cmays makes a very good point about the lateral shift to the right. when you hips move right and turn its so hard to get them back in to the start in the downswing. if you hold the weight with your right knee flexed and stop the lateral shift of the hips to the right on the backswing and only have hip turn on the backswing then you can have a lateral shift forward and hip turn to start the downswing and that helps the weight onto the left side.
i think sweeping and hitting down is the same thing the only thing that changes is the club you use, when using a hight loft club, the shorter shaft makes you swing more upright and you swing in steeper into the ball and catch it as the club is still on the down swing but at a sharper angle than with the low loft clubs. with the low loft clubs and there longer shafts you swing more flatter and around and you come into the ball with a shallower downswing and sweep into the ball more but still downward. with both shots the momentum if still more forward at impact then downward and the loft of the club sends the ball up in the air.
bill

[takinitdeep]

Re: sweeping vs.hitting down

I have seen very powerful players-usually young-hit down on the ball with driver and the ball starts out low and ramps up higher and higher but not a balloon ball. They seem to get great distance but I never understood how they do it. I'm a sweeper with driver and depend on my lag and rotation to get distance

[BrianW]

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I have seen very powerful players-usually young-hit down on the ball with driver and the ball starts out low and ramps up higher and higher but not a balloon ball. They seem to get great distance but I never understood how they do it. I'm a sweeper with driver and depend on my lag and rotation to get distance

When they hit down they are hooding the driver and loosing the additional upwards direction created when sweep the ball The initial high velocity overpowers any backspin in the early stage, as the ball slows down the backspin comes into effect and starts lifting the ball. It's like a slice on it's side.

[mont86]

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Is the ball moved around in your stance from the long irons to the short irons?

[slater170]

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Is the ball moved around in your stance from the long irons to the short irons?

i play SW to 7I from the middle of my stance, 6i to 3W one ball width more forward

[mont86]

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i play SW to 7I from the middle of my stance, 6i to 3W one ball width more forward

Thanks Slater, Thats the part I struggle with is that I move the ball too much. I have moved it as much 4 inches forward or back.

[GoNavy]

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Thanks Slater, Thats the part I struggle with is that I move the ball too much. I have moved it as much 4 inches forward or back.

There are two schools of thought on this, here is how they go, if you have pretty much the same width stance with driver to wedge, then you must move the ball, middle for short, more forward as the clubs get longer. If you change the width of your stance you can play the ball in the same location, because your stance width moves the ball for you. Regardless of the method used, I highly recommend to stop using the feet for referance, instead, play the short irons directly under the your nose, mid irons off the left ear, long irons left breast pocket and driver left arm pit. This way the width of stance is not so important, it can be off a little and your ball position will be fine. To illustrate, take your wedge stance feet about two foot apart at the heels, ball two inches off the left heel. Now without even touching the ball, just move your right foot back to the width you use for driver, the ball is now no where near the center of the stance as it was, the ball didn't move, but your body did, trying to get your feet the exact distance apart for every club on a daily basis, is very hard to do consistantly. Placing the ball in relation to your body is much more consistant.

[mont86]

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GoNavy thats a good analogy, should I not worry about the width of my stance as much?

[GoNavy]

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GoNavy thats a good analogy, should I not worry about the width of my stance as much?

I don't worry much about it, my main concern is well I keep my balance. If I am on hill, up hill or downhill, my stance gets wider, even if I normal have my feet close together for a wedge I may have it the width of a driver if I need to do that because I'm on a hill, or if it is windy. So, using the body for ball placement, makes the width of the feet pretty much irrevalent. I do what makes me comfortable, and maintains my balance.

As a general rule, the shorter the club the more narrow my stance gets, simply because it is a shorter club, shorter swing, and things happen a little faster. I need the lower body to move faster to keep up without actually having to move faster, narrowing the stance allows that to happen.

[mont86]

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GoNavy I have a question about the weight transfer in the backswing.

As I rotate back I can feel the weight increase on the right foot instep and the weight increasing on the ball of my left foot. does this sound right
for a right hander?