change in plane

[bill reed]

hi
i have been a 2 plane golfer for most of my like but i found out a few weeks ago that i had changed my 2 plane swing into a 1 plane swing without knowing. last year i changed my clubs and go a set that was 2% flat. i was going to get them changed but i found i was playing better. did not really know why and asked on here if anyone knew why that would happen,
a few weeks ago a pro at my club told me that my swing change seemed to be working well, and i told him i had not changed my swing. he explained that i was now bending over the ball a lot more and my spine was about 40% leaning over, and before i stood almost upright. he also said my arms were now swinging in line with my shoulders and i was swing a lot flatter.
i went home and checked using my old clubs and my new ones and my swing did look different with both clubs. that made me wonder about other player that changed to using the 1 plane swing and wondered how many changed the lie of there club. when i asked the pro the next weekend he said that most guys under 5"10 need flatter clubs with a 1 plane swing and guys over 6"2 need more upright.
just wonder what some of the 1 planer swingers think.
bill

[bill reed]

Re: change in plane

hi cmays
I'm 5"8 tall but was fitted for black spot pings some years ago but that was with my upright swing, now i am bent over a lot more and my left arm is more across my chest where before it was more above my right shoulder at full back swing.
thanks for letting me know you use flatter clubs too, i think i understand the difference from a one plane to a two plane more now.
bill

[bampot]

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Bill, sorry if I digress, I have been watching tele. ads for the XPLANAR swing trainer, the one reccommended by Butch Harmon. Possibly I am way off but I think irrespective of height etc. you would finish up with a one plane swing, am I wrong ?

[oldwease]

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You're right, bampot.

When I first started playing, there didn't seem to be much talk of one plane versus multi-planes. Seemed to me, the natural way to hit a ball was to retrace my backswing on the downswing. Reading so may other golf tips over the years actually damaged my swing as they really didn't apply to my method of swinging because they led to a breakdown of this consistent movement and retracement - they were all touted as 'magic moves' however.

I suspect I am quite 'visual' with regard to the golf swing. Therefore, throughout the swing I like to feel that it's all in the correct groove - i.e. on the correct plane. When this happens, at any point in the backswing or downswing, I have the feeling that all I have to do to make good contact is unwind - no manipulation of the hands/arms/head/shoulders/ hips/ knees/feet or elbows is necessary. If this is so, then everything must be working together.

Really, all that matters in the golf swing is the downswing as that determines how you come into the ball. Doesn't really matter how you set this up. I like to visualise and execute it in a particular way, so the backswing matters a lot to my swing. Others are clearly different.

So, on the original post, you've obviously improved your swing a lot and everything has come into sync a lot more. You must be better balanced than you were before (it's actually quite difficult to maintain your balance when swinging a club if you're too upright - particularly if you want power). You now have the key parts working in unison and I bet you feel much more grooved with the single plane. So, your single plane is the natural consequence of everything else you do. This is the right way around.

[bill reed]

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hi bampot
my point was not about my height as much as it was about using clubs that were off a flatter lie and the flatter lie seemed to fit in with a one plane swing more than it did a two plane swing. my swing changed because of the club's and not because i tried to change it.
#bill

[BrianW]

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What should us guys between 5'10" and 6'2" do

[bill reed]

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hi Brian
if your a one plane swinger then standard lie clubs if a two plane then one degree upright. thats what my pro said anyway. maybe lowpost could advise as he is use to club fitting and i would be interested if he takes into consideration the one plane swing or if its a two plane swing.
bill

[paterick]

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hi i too was fitted clubs with a two plane swing plane and now am changing to a one plane. i have found i may need to change the lie on my pings. when in my one plane swing now with the same club lie i notice that toe of the club is off the turf to feel right. i was getting tired of the inconsistancy of the timing with the two plane swing. when on it was great and effortless but when off it was terrrible especially with the longer clubs. the one plane feels much more controlable but i am having to learn to now hit the shorter clubs all over where as the longer ones and sweeping swings seem much easier and as long on the fairway. i think i have seen why one has to use a bit stronger grip with the one plane swing as its easier to strike down on the ball with the shorter irons where as the nuetral grip seems to be left open.

i have found that i can swing the one plane while standing taller i am 6 2 but as some one just said i tend to spin around when i do.

the two plane swing which was a whip action could be done most succeful with the longer clubs while standing almost straight up and the feet very close together. i developed a great feel with the shorter irons

so now and at times i have pondered using one plane for longer clubs and two plane for shorter ones: any thoughts on this?

thanks

pat

[bill reed]

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hi pat
i think having two swings might make your game harder but if it works then go with it, look up the ping site and look up demo days and see if any in your area if so then take your clubs and have then change the lie, its free at demo days and if there not to busy they will spend time checking yous swing and how the new lie fits. thats what i did and it did at lot to help my confidence too in swing on a one plane and using flat lie clubs. that said using a one plane swing for woods and long irons would give you a nice flat sweeping motion but using the two plane swing will give you a more upright swing and you will come into the ball that bit steeper and thats what you want with your short iron , so it could work out.
bill