False Shoulder Turn Problems

[bill reed]

Re: False Shoulder Turn Problems

hi
don't think its really clear why he cant get a full turn.
can he stand with his hand in his pockets and his feet together and turn so his right shoulder is at 6 o'clock. if he can then he should have no problem. if he can then there must be some reason for it.
bill

[golfndawg]

Re: False Shoulder Turn Problems

Maybe it's the right elbow.....Maybe it's not moving back to allow the shoulder turn you want...Been down that road.

[dminn23]

Re: False Shoulder Turn Problems

I've been busy and didn't see their thread the past day. Wow, it has really blown up! I'm glad!

Why do I want to get a full shoulder turn? I don't know, why do we love this game so much? Why do we strive to get better? Why are we here on THIS board?

Anyways, My lower body action is pretty good, I keep the right knee flexed, the left knee doesn't straighten in my backswing to MY knowledge. That being said, I need to get some video up but I don't know if my camera will be sufficient for the recording. I have heard comments before that people think I'm restricting my hip turn, I am not conciously.

My body type is long and thin. I'm 5' 10 but I have the wingspan of a 6 foot 1 person and I weight 155 pounds. I'm no beast but I can smack the ball when I get a hold of it. I am trying to improve my technique to add consistency. Sometimes I hit the ball 285 off the tee, sometimes 250. I want to close that gap and be more consistent and keep it in the fairway. Not to mention approach shots. I want consistent contact. I would LOVE to have a nice big shoulder turn and keep the club short of parallel. But as I described, I am at parallel and my shoulders aren't turned as much as they should be.

When I started playing golf, I focused so much on keeping my left arm straight that it may have engrained a bad habit and now its quite rigid. Could it be my right arm though? Very well could be. Tell me how it should be and I'll do it!

[oldwease]

Re: False Shoulder Turn Problems

I suspect it's not really anything to do with your arms. It does sound to me as if you're making the classic fake shoulder turn. It's pretty easy to move the arms back at least to parallel, left arm straight, and so on, without rotating the shoulders much - seems to fit your description.

Changing how you move the arms won't alter this. The problem is more likely to be the right shoulder not rotating properly with the left. Try a backswing holding the right shoulder in place. Your outside left shoulder will start to twist round and the gap between your shoulders narrows. At the top of your backswing (and the club may well be parallel to the ground), your shoulder line will be about 4 o'clock, as you say it is.

As I say, turn the (upper) chest. If you do this, the shoulders will follow (they have no choice). Perhaps one way to see what's happening is to just swing the club back with the right arm only. If you really can't rotate the shoulders with that, then there is a problem.

[1macca]

Re: False Shoulder Turn Problems

Look and see if the club is not coming around his body while the club face is looking at the ball versus being in the toe up position at waist high and then at the top of the swing if the club face is not facing the sky versus the toe being in a down position.

Doctor said I needed an eye exam in 2 months, if I am the only one seeing that, may need to be sooner, for real.

1. Swing sequences: Charles Howell III: Swing Sequences Video: golfdigest.com

I think its a trip back to opticians

I see him taking the club back with left thumb on top of shaft (hip high) having a slightly closed face in this position due to stronger than neutral grip.
At top of swing would say club face paralel to forearm.
Is not closed, Left wrist is not arched but cupped under.

I think it looks quite neutral.

Check out Adres Romareo for a closed position going back.

[dminn23]

Re: False Shoulder Turn Problems

Here is a video I took today at the range from face on.

I also have it in file format which will be higher quality if anyone wants it.

It looks like I'm taking the club away with my hands.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks,

Derek

[dminn23]

Re: False Shoulder Turn Problems

Here is the second video of me down the line. I apologize that you can't see my whole body. I had no good prop for the camera at the range.

[takinitdeep]

Re: False Shoulder Turn Problems

Unless you have spinal deformaties etc., not just turning your back to the target is probably a function of posture and moving your head too much.
Work on those things and you will see a big difference.
Keep it simple, the solution is a very easy one.

I've been busy and didn't see their thread the past day. Wow, it has really blown up! I'm glad!

Why do I want to get a full shoulder turn? I don't know, why do we love this game so much? Why do we strive to get better? Why are we here on THIS board?

Anyways, My lower body action is pretty good, I keep the right knee flexed, the left knee doesn't straighten in my backswing to MY knowledge. That being said, I need to get some video up but I don't know if my camera will be sufficient for the recording. I have heard comments before that people think I'm restricting my hip turn, I am not conciously.

My body type is long and thin. I'm 5' 10 but I have the wingspan of a 6 foot 1 person and I weight 155 pounds. I'm no beast but I can smack the ball when I get a hold of it. I am trying to improve my technique to add consistency. Sometimes I hit the ball 285 off the tee, sometimes 250. I want to close that gap and be more consistent and keep it in the fairway. Not to mention approach shots. I want consistent contact. I would LOVE to have a nice big shoulder turn and keep the club short of parallel. But as I described, I am at parallel and my shoulders aren't turned as much as they should be.

When I started playing golf, I focused so much on keeping my left arm straight that it may have engrained a bad habit and now its quite rigid. Could it be my right arm though? Very well could be. Tell me how it should be and I'll do it!

[1macca]

Re: False Shoulder Turn Problems

I think you need to work on the first part of your take away.

Looks like wrists fold on the way back, going outside, then getting to flat on the way back.

At hip high shaft should point down target line.

Looks like a good action though.
Cheers.

[oldwease]

Re: False Shoulder Turn Problems

These have been good replies to the posting of the swing. I also think that you really fail to shift your weight properly on the backswing. The weight shift itself (so long as there is no sway) promotes a decent shoulder turn.

[BrianW]

Re: False Shoulder Turn Problems

Why do I want to get a full shoulder turn? I don't know, why do we love this game so much? Why do we strive to get better? Why are we here on THIS board?

What an odd quote! I assumed you wanted a fuller shoulder turn as you believe it will make you a better golfer, I was not aware that you didn't know why you wanted it.

I ask you again, what is your ball flight like? Are you unhappy with something: distance, direction, consistency?

[takinitdeep]

Re: False Shoulder Turn Problems

Very good point, Wease. Its all about coordinating the upper and lower body. If the lower body is not doing its job on the backswing, its for sure the upper body will be handicapped which means poor turn.

These have been good replies to the posting of the swing. I also think that you really fail to shift your weight properly on the backswing. The weight shift itself (so long as there is no sway) promotes a decent shoulder turn.

[bill reed]

Re: False Shoulder Turn Problems

hi
i think sway on the backswing is what destroys a lot of good swings but on the follow through i think some sway has to happen.
bill

[dminn23]

Re: False Shoulder Turn Problems

What an odd quote! I assumed you wanted a fuller shoulder turn as you believe it will make you a better golfer, I was not aware that you didn't know why you wanted it.

I ask you again, what is your ball flight like? Are you unhappy with something: distance, direction, consistency?

I realize you have a ton of posts on this board and are a senior member. But are your trying to make me feel stupid? Your smug comments kind of come across that way. Somewhat insulting. If your not trying to, I apologize.


Would the majority of the pros have such a strong shoulder turn if it wasn't necessary? And if somoene comes back with the comment that "Your not a Pro", that is downright silly. Why not model after the best. I am physically able to. I am working towards a more solid, repeatable, consistent swing. Right now I spray some every once in a while and my distance control doesn't have the consistency I would like to have.

My ballflight: High, extremely high at times. I have been working on lowing it. Somedays I can, somedays I can't. That goes back to consistency.

[BrianW]

Re: False Shoulder Turn Problems

I realize you have a ton of posts on this board and are a senior member. But are your trying to make me feel stupid? Your smug comments kind of come across that way. Somewhat insulting. If your not trying to, I apologize.


Would the majority of the pros have such a strong shoulder turn if it wasn't necessary? And if somoene comes back with the comment that "Your not a Pro", that is downright silly. Why not model after the best. I am physically able to. I am working towards a more solid, repeatable, consistent swing. Right now I spray some every once in a while and my distance control doesn't have the consistency I would like to have.

My ballflight: High, extremely high at times. I have been working on lowing it. Somedays I can, somedays I can't. That goes back to consistency.

No, I am not trying to make you feel stupid, I apologise if it came over that way. I was just confused at what your real problem was?

I have been trying to understand what the problem really is and started off by asking you why you were concerned about shoulder turn and that you should not be trying to model it on some individual, I didn't say "you are not a pro". You did reply in a slightly sarcastic manner to that question though.

I believe that you would be better to address any problems you have with ball flight and your swing mechanics should take care of themselves. I would also suggest that if you wish to model yourself on pro's then start by studying their ball contact.

If I can be of further assistance please feel free to ask.