The 3 skills and me

[miffin]

I bought the book. I got off to a good start and hit irons better than I ever did. But the woods were awful! I have tried working on it but have now got stuck between the 3 angles of attack. I now can't do anything right. Woods are erratic and irons, although hit solidly pull to the left. I was in a 12 hole comp today on stableford and me and my partner only managed 12 point between us!!!

[bdbl]

Re: The 3 skills and me

I'm a generous soul Miffin so despite the fact that you blanked my response last time you posted the same problem I'll post it again.

"I found two things with the woods, both disastrous, in the way I tried to implement the skills:

a) I overcooked the rotation
b) I tipped my already too steep swing way over the edge

Just a suggestion but you might want to:

a) Try visualising S3 rather than consciously doing anything if that makes sense
b) Think about "correct angle of descent" rather than "hitting down" as you move through the clubs - its in the book with pictures of nails at different angles.

Good Luck"

[slater170]

Re: The 3 skills and me

miffin
are you getting too much inside on your backswing?

i was doing this a while back but now take the club back less to the inside and it has fixed the problem as i now have a straight or slightly drawn shot shape with driver

[miffin]

Re: The 3 skills and me

I'm a generous soul Miffin so despite the fact that you blanked my response last time you posted the same problem I'll post it again.

"I found two things with the woods, both disastrous, in the way I tried to implement the skills:

a) I overcooked the rotation
b) I tipped my already too steep swing way over the edge

Just a suggestion but you might want to:

a) Try visualising S3 rather than consciously doing anything if that makes sense
b) Think about "correct angle of descent" rather than "hitting down" as you move through the clubs - its in the book with pictures of nails at different angles.

Good Luck"

I am sorry. I didn't realize I had blanked you. What do you actually mean? I didn't answer your post? This is not the same problem that I have posted before anyway. At the time, I could not hit the woods. I did actually try your suggestions. What I am trying to say now, is that trying to get the woods right, I have now messed up the irons. So what I am also saying is :- to any prospective buyers, do not expect an easy fix from the 3sk nail it book. It does not work for everyone and in fact it can make you worse!

[miffin]

Re: The 3 skills and me

miffin
are you getting too much inside on your backswing?

i was doing this a while back but now take the club back less to the inside and it has fixed the problem as i now have a straight or slightly drawn shot shape with driver

Yes, I might well be doing that. I am going to the range tomorrow and will try your and the bdbl suggestions. Please don't get me wrong. I can see the potential of this. I just can't get it right at the moment.
Brian

[kevinhendrix]

Re: The 3 skills and me

Kevin McDonald PGA & authorised 3sk instructor here.

There is no reference to any kind of "easy fix" in the book 'Nail IT'.

If you are not hitting the ball well then you simply ARE NOT doing the 3skills.

This is a simple and logical instructional book.

You must let go of any previous conventional swing theory and mechanics to really appreciate and improve your game when using the 3sk method.

Golf is a skillfull game and requires a lot of practise. If you do this wisely and practise how the book reccommends you do then you will get rewarded with better ball striking.

At no point in the book 'Nail IT' is there any mention of a "easy fix".

There is no secret hidden in there.

It simply and concisely lays out exactly what every club must be doing around impact to find the sweetspot and to produce effortlessly powerful shots.

This takes a lot of practise to do on a consistent basis.

Finally at least you have something concrete to practise instead of thinking about swing technique that only really serves to take your attention away from just hitting a ball.

My advice would be to try and persevere with the drills in the book and the philosophy of it and if you practise in this way you will definitely get rewarded.

Good golfing to you and everyone.

Kevin McDonald PGA

[BrianW]

Re: The 3 skills and me

I have to endorse what Kevin has said here. IMHO there is no argument that the 3 skills will produce great ball striking if executed correctly and practicing the correct drills is the key to improvement.

If you are getting poor results then you cannot be executing the skills effectively, so keep practising. I find it difficult to accept the premise that it will not work for some people, it must do if they become proficient at the skills.

Using your woods should not be so different from using your irons. Just like longer irons fairway woods and utilities need to hit down at the correct angle with the correct ball placement. The driver needs a shallow approach into the tee'd ball striking the nail horizontal, the same with the 3 wood, if they are hit off the deck they need the shallow downward strike.

The system works because it always has, long before Joe wrote the book most great ball strikers have used the skills but not by that name.

I respectfully suggest that if it is not working for you then try and see what you are doing wrong, then practice, practice, practice. Please don't infer the system does not work, it can work for anyone.

[miffin]

Re: The 3 skills and me

I am not sure who is trying to prove what to who here now. As other members have said. Not all golfers learn the same. I learn best by having a demonstration and perhaps a video of what I am doing wrong. I do not think that i am going to be able to get it right just by reading the book and practising what I think it is telling me. I am sure some people can do that but it seems I cannot.
Brian

[miffin]

Re: The 3 skills and me

I also want to add that some members who have done well with the system Have had lessons at the book writers golf academy. They have admitted that has helped them tremendously. There are not many people who can do that due to the area of course.
Brian

[BrianW]

Re: The 3 skills and me

I also want to add that some members who have done well with the system Have had lessons at the book writers golf academy. They have admitted that has helped them tremendously. There are not many people who can do that due to the area of course.
Brian

Brian,

What's hard to understand here?

Who are the people that have been to the centre for lessons?? I have benefited greatly with my ball striking but have never had a lesson, Slater has not been there and to my knowledge neither has Ian. Some of the guys here had a demonstration at the GTO Open day recently but that's about it.

Brian, you are of course free to have an opinion the same as I am, it's not confusing. I will also challenge your opinion if I think it will either help you or others, the same as you are at will to challenge mine. As long as we keep it sensible then that's fine.

To me the book is full of very easy to understand information, is well illustrated and the drills are easy to follow and practice. What exactly do you find hard to visualise? Unless I am out of touch somehow, the pictures of nails, the club direction the drills with rubber tees, wood covers and range baskets are so simple to understand.

Are you putting in some dedicated practice?

[miffin]

Re: The 3 skills and me

I appreciate that you are trying to help Brian. One of the problems I am having is working out how to approach the ball correctly with the driver if you take the club inside on the backswing. As for your other question, just a quick look at a similar thread has kevinhendrix (a 3sk instructor) recommending lessons on it. And mariner and Teddyg asking how they can get lessons. So, I can't be the only one who can't crack it!
Brian

[BrianW]

Re: The 3 skills and me

I appreciate that you are trying to help Brian. One of the problems I am having is working out how to approach the ball correctly with the driver if you take the club inside on the backswing. As for your other question, just a quick look at a similar thread has kevinhendrix (a 3sk instructor) recommending lessons on it. And mariner and Teddyg asking how they can get lessons. So, I can't be the only one who can't crack it!
Brian

Brian,

Have you tried the drill of hitting a rubber tee under the basket handle? This teaches you to bring the clubface into the ball on a low approach, couple that with the image of a horizontal nail when you actually hit a ball and you should be getting there. Can you tell me exactly what is going wrong when hitting with a driver or 3 wood, what is the ball flight?

The guys you mentioned sound to me they like they are progressing but would like to back it up with a lesson, I guess I would also like a lesson if I could get one in. One to one lessons will always be better than a book, I would have loved to have been taught by Hogan but his book had to do! Everyone cannot have lessons for one reason or another so we have to make do with a book.

"So, I can't be the only one who can't crack it!" Come on mate, lets take a positive attitude. If you are reasonably mobile then you will be able to improve, some just need a bit more time.

Brian, I will be happy to help you if I can. If you wish to discuss your problems with some PM's then feel free.

[miffin]

Re: The 3 skills and me

Yes you are right Brian. I guess I was feeling well down yesterday. I have just got to 65 and was hoping to play well in the seniors next season. That is why I have altered my swing, well I should not say swing I should say started the 3sk. Then I got the feeling that perhaps I am too old to do it. I am going to the range today though so will give it another go. I did not try hitting the tee thing under the bucket handle. I was a bit too nervous to try it. I will post what happens and thanks for the PM's offer. I will certainly utilise that if things go wrong.
Thanks
Brian

[slater170]

Re: The 3 skills and me

Yes you are right Brian. I guess I was feeling well down yesterday. I have just got to 65 and was hoping to play well in the seniors next season. That is why I have altered my swing, well I should not say swing I should say started the 3sk. Then I got the feeling that perhaps I am too old to do it. I am going to the range today though so will give it another go. I did not try hitting the tee thing under the bucket handle. I was a bit too nervous to try it. I will post what happens and thanks for the PM's offer. I will certainly utilise that if things go wrong.
Thanks
Brian

stick with it brian
like most things in life some people pick things up quicker than others.
FWIW my shots with driver and 3 wood are going great but my iron shots can still be a bit iffy but are improvng the more i practice.

[miffin]

Re: The 3 skills and me

Yep so you aint perfect either (who is at golf) In case there are any more suggestions, this is what went wrong for me yesterday. The irons, I hit great (better flight and distance that I have ever had) but they all went left of target leaving me tricky shots to the green instead of being on it. In order to try to get the driver going, the shots either went low left or if they went high they faded to the right. The more things went wrong the lower my confidence got so I was just getting worse. It might be an illusion but the better shots I got seemed to be when I was taking the driver straight back instead of on the inside. But if I could get a picture then I might be imagining it I suppose.
Thanks to everyone.
Brian