cmays question

[takinitdeep]

I notice many good pro's on tour are moving their right hand more and more to the side of the grip. In years past, one rarely if ever say this, except for john daley.
What's your opinion of a weak left hand where the back of the left hand faces target, left arm in line with club shaft AND, right hand more to the side and not directly on top of the left thumb. Its the right hand knuckles facing the ground.
How's tricks over there in Okie land?

[takinitdeep]

Re: cmays question

I read your post with dawg and one thing I noticed is your mention of the hands stopping at zipper etc. This is a timing issue for most but very important. I find in order to crack the whip, you have to stop the hands,arms,shoulders momentarily while the clubhead comes whipping through to impact then allow the followthrough. Folks talk about lag and this is the quintessential key to it. Also, one had better be driving the right knee and hitting from in to out or big hooks/slices will happen.
In a hurry to hit the ball, many forget to let the club do the work. The hands hold the key to success.

Any grip with the left hand, curl the last three fingers or hand knuckles of the left hand towards the ground, same-o, same-o.

All grips become the same when rotating the left hand.

Right hand is taken out of play.

Maximum amount of wrist hinge from behind the left thumb with slight pressure remaining on the left thumb.

From a slight adjustment of the shoulders at address (the key), you start the downswing by adding a little more pressure to the left thumb, no body action, although when watching someone play, it looks like the body is leading.

Knees have remained flexed, they act as swivels.

When the left hand reaches the left thigh, the hands stop and the momentum of the clubhead whips on through. Swinging easy concept, also the whip concept.

You should see the college kids do the same. A much shorter and compact swing loaded with distance.

Under the topic of, General Golf Discussion, Dawg, Planes and Hands, Chuck Evans starts to get into a little about the hands.

I also like the same concept with a stronger grip w/o the curl and the open stance.

Both are much easier on the back.

[bill reed]

Re: cmays question

hi takinitdeep
i think there are two ways to strike a ball,
1- like you said where the wrists come into play and close the clubface and give you the crack of the whip feeling as your right hand rolls over the left just after impact.
but there is another way and its keeping the club head square comming into inpact and keeping it square past impact and there is no wrist roll over or movement of the hands, its more off pulling the club through the ball.
i have tried both types over the years, the first type of open to closed face i used when i played with a draw and i did hit longer but with less control. with the second type i use with my open Trevino swing and its more control than distance.
i think i lost about 20 yards useing the Trevino system with my drives and maybe 10 yards with the irons. but i felt i was swing harder with the first system and i only swing with about 90% using the second system.
i dont think that pulling the club through the ball as to turning the club from open to closed gived you no more than a few yards on your swing.
again i can only speak for what i have found using both systems.
i do think you make a very good point in letting the club do the work and not trying to power it and that the right grip for you kind of swing is so important and a weak grip can help make the club head turn as you come into impact and a strong girp works better in a square to square swing style.
cheers
bill

[daviesec]

Re: cmays question

I notice many good pro's on tour are moving their right hand more and more to the side of the grip. In years past, one rarely if ever say this, except for john daley.
What's your opinion of a weak left hand where the back of the left hand faces target, left arm in line with club shaft AND, right hand more to the side and not directly on top of the left thumb. Its the right hand knuckles facing the ground.
How's tricks over there in Okie land?

If the knuckles on my right hand were pointing to the ground I wouldn't be able to rotate my wrists and i'd block it out right.

I find that having the thumb of my right hand down the left centre of the grip works great for me. The "V" between index finger and thumb on both hands point at my right shoulder.