fat shots

[craigandy]

why do i fat shot with my ions

[BrianW]

Re: fat shots

The technical reason is that your swing bottom is behind the ball. This may be due to you placing the ball too far forward, your weight staying on your back leg or you trying to get the club under the ball to lift it.

So! the resolution is to move the bottom of the arc forward. First, don't try and hit under the ball if that's what you are doing, it does not work! Concentrate on hitting down at the ball, get your hands ahead of the ball at impact and feel that the clubface is contacting the ball slightly above it's equator so that the downward travel will contact the ground in front the ball and take a divot.

This link may help:

How to Attack with Your Short Irons | Galleries | Golf.com

[takinitdeep]

Re: fat shots

Try ball positions by taking normal swing without a ball and see where your divots are taken. Place the ball just behind where the divots are.
Flex your knees but just slightly-too much knee flex=fat shots or thin shots
Keep your spine angle and set up with hands ahead not behind the ball.
Practice with a tee in front of the ball, focus on taking the tee after each shot.
Stay down and through the shot.

why do i fat shot with my ions

[jambalaya]

Re: fat shots

I have been reading a lot about hitting it fat because I frankly do it way too much. I don't chunk it but certainly don't get the clean hit that I want. I am convinced that my problem is that I do not get my arms and torso turning back and then forward together. Consider your address position and how your arms and shoulders are positioned. You've established a low point of your swing based on this position that if you have ball position correct is just in front of the ball approximately at the inside of your left shoulder. Execute a backswing and then come forward and you must maintain that relationship when you get back to the ball. Pull your arms too far inside, they often don't catch up the result is the low point of your swing is on the backside of the ball. I contend their is only one correct ball position related to the club being used and how you address the ball.

So, the problem is either ball position, or arm swing or both. So changing ball position may not help. It is the simple solution and may work but if it doesn't try making your pivot without allowing your arms go back ahead of your torso, and get stuck behind you.

I am not saying this as a someone who has solved the problem but would like some discussion about it. It seems to me ball position change may either be a band aid or a moving target that we cannot hit consistently.

Tell me if this sound familiar, instead of fully turning the shoulders, one tucks the front shoulder under the chin in effect closing the left shoulder. In order to tuck that shoulder I must bring my arms further behind me. If I cannot get that shoulder fully opened up when I swing back down to the ball I never get that original address relationship back and the low point of the swing moves back.

Could I be on the right track to solve my problem?

[takinitdeep]

Re: fat shots

Ball position and distance from the ball must be correct so you don't get jammed up trying to hit and pull inside to meet the ball when you should be swinging out to the ball.
Also, turning your back on the target helps alot.

I have been reading a lot about hitting it fat because I frankly do it way too much. I don't chunk it but certainly don't get the clean hit that I want. I am convinced that my problem is that I do not get my arms and torso turning back and then forward together. Consider your address position and how your arms and shoulders are positioned. You've established a low point of your swing based on this position that if you have ball position correct is just in front of the ball approximately at the inside of your left shoulder. Execute a backswing and then come forward and you must maintain that relationship when you get back to the ball. Pull your arms too far inside, they often don't catch up the result is the low point of your swing is on the backside of the ball. I contend their is only one correct ball position related to the club being used and how you address the ball.

So, the problem is either ball position, or arm swing or both. So changing ball position may not help. It is the simple solution and may work but if it doesn't try making your pivot without allowing your arms go back ahead of your torso, and get stuck behind you.

I am not saying this as a someone who has solved the problem but would like some discussion about it. It seems to me ball position change may either be a band aid or a moving target that we cannot hit consistently.

Tell me if this sound familiar, instead of fully turning the shoulders, one tucks the front shoulder under the chin in effect closing the left shoulder. In order to tuck that shoulder I must bring my arms further behind me. If I cannot get that shoulder fully opened up when I swing back down to the ball I never get that original address relationship back and the low point of the swing moves back.

Could I be on the right track to solve my problem?

[BrianW]

Re: fat shots

I have been reading a lot about hitting it fat because I frankly do it way too much. I don't chunk it but certainly don't get the clean hit that I want. I am convinced that my problem is that I do not get my arms and torso turning back and then forward together. Consider your address position and how your arms and shoulders are positioned. You've established a low point of your swing based on this position that if you have ball position correct is just in front of the ball approximately at the inside of your left shoulder. Execute a backswing and then come forward and you must maintain that relationship when you get back to the ball. Pull your arms too far inside, they often don't catch up the result is the low point of your swing is on the backside of the ball. I contend their is only one correct ball position related to the club being used and how you address the ball.

So, the problem is either ball position, or arm swing or both. So changing ball position may not help. It is the simple solution and may work but if it doesn't try making your pivot without allowing your arms go back ahead of your torso, and get stuck behind you.

I am not saying this as a someone who has solved the problem but would like some discussion about it. It seems to me ball position change may either be a band aid or a moving target that we cannot hit consistently.

Tell me if this sound familiar, instead of fully turning the shoulders, one tucks the front shoulder under the chin in effect closing the left shoulder. In order to tuck that shoulder I must bring my arms further behind me. If I cannot get that shoulder fully opened up when I swing back down to the ball I never get that original address relationship back and the low point of the swing moves back.

Could I be on the right track to solve my problem?

Hi Jamb,

One important factor is how your sternum is positioned in relation to the ball position and club in use. The position of the sternum affects the arc low point, your pivot and weight distribution.

For wedges and short irons the sternum needs to be ahead of the ball at address which I place in the centre of my stance, mid irons slightly ahead. For longer clubs and fairways, fairly central with the ball a little forward of centre.

Focus on taking a divot with all of them, a bit deeper with the wedges and short irons though.

This should help.