One plane or two?

[takinitdeep]

Is the position of the right arm at the top of the swing dictate one or two plane swing? This was a question for which I am not sure of the answer.
It seems to me though, if one has a 90 degree bend of the right arm at the top where one is in a classic tray position, this would tend to be a two plane swing.
Whereas, if one has a slightly more tilted right arm or flatter right arm at the top, this would lead me to say its a one plane swing.
I would appreciate opinions.

[LowPost42]

Re: One plane or two?

My impression is that it's what the left (lead) arm is doing. Above the shoulder = two plane. In line with the shoulders = one.

[takinitdeep]

Re: One plane or two?

ok, guys, here's the dilemma, its well accepted that you can't mix one plane with two plane swing elements, so, if one takes the club away more inside(one plane) but then goes into the 90 degree tray position(two plane), it can't work, right?
This is good discussion material.

[bill reed]

Re: One plane or two?

hi takinitdeep
in Jim Hardy and john Andrisani book:- the plane truth for golfers.
they say you cant use both and have a repeating swing.
with a one plane swing you bend more and like lowpost said your arm is in line with the shoulders on full back swing.
with the two plane swing your more upright and the arm swings on a diffrent plane to the shoulders, the arms swing more upright.
the right elbow is tucked more into the body with a one plane swing due to the left arm being lower and flatter, with a two plane swing the elbow is more away from the body at full back swing.
bill

[LowPost42]

Re: One plane or two?

It's been often stated that while there are some pure 2 planers on Tour, there aren't any real 1 planers (some are very close). I thought I had read something about how some player had a very 2 plane-ish takeaway (low and wide, arms seperating from the body) but then reached a 1p position at the top and rotated through 1p.

But I guess your 'designation' comes from the top of your swing, and/or how you swing through the ball from the top (arms connected or not)

[takinitdeep]

Re: One plane or two?

Bill and Low Post only:
please read my posts questions; what you say is true but we already knew that info, think about my questions.
I appreciate your posts but they do not address my questions.
Thanks
Cmays:
yes, you answered my questions; you can't mix and your ideas are correct.

[BrianW]

Re: One plane or two?

I see a one plane swing as one like Moe Norman used that maintains a parallel plane to the one set at address, it does rise above it in the backswing and follow through but is parallel at all points.

The two plane swing sets a steeper plane at the top than that at address, it uses a similar plane to Hogans sheet of glass that sits from the ball passing through the golfers neck and shoulders. The club then has to be dropped down in the initial part of the downswing so that it comes back to the original plane set at address.

To answer TID's question: When the right arm is in the tray position it will be part of a two plane swing.

[LowPost42]

Re: One plane or two?

Sorry TID, I interpreted

Is the position of the right arm at the top of the swing dictate one or two plane swing?

as a question about whether or not the right arm position dictates plane. My answer was that I understand left arm to dictate plane.

However, then you go on to solidify your observation; so I didn't perceive a question there.

[bill reed]

Re: One plane or two?

hi takinitdeep
if you read my post then you would see it said that, " you cant use both and get a repeating swing, i think that does answer if it can or cant work, i also think the angle of the spine dictates if its a one or two plane swing more than the right elbow, i think what happens with the right elbow happens more due to the angle of the spine at address.
cheers
bill

[takinitdeep]

Re: One plane or two?

In my first post, I merely asked for opinions of one or two plane swing as it is dictated to right arm at the top.
In my second post: I propose that mixing doesn't work.
While spine angle should dictate which plane one is on, I also think where the hands are at address will do the same.
Not ungrateful for your post, I was not making myself clear on what it was I was asking.

hi takinitdeep
if you read my post then you would see it said that, " you cant use both and get a repeating swing, i think that does answer if it can or cant work, i also think the angle of the spine dictates if its a one or two plane swing more than the right elbow, i think what happens with the right elbow happens more due to the angle of the spine at address.
cheers
bill

[bill reed]

Re: One plane or two?

hi takinitdeep
i do agree with what you said in your last post.
cheers
bill