Dave Pelz Best Tip

[bampot]

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For me:

The 4 Wedge System in the Short Game Bible and Lag Putting in the Putting Bible

The 4 wedge system ? Don't you think this is advocating buying your game in the pro. shop ?

[bdbl]

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The 4 wedge system ? Don't you think this is advocating buying your game in the pro. shop ?

From the extracts posted on here I'm with James H; I'd probably buy a Readers Digest version of Pelz but I couldn't wade through page after page of his writing - as much a reflection on me as on him of course.

But "buying your game" ? Not really, or no more than getting fitted, replacing long irons with utilities, using a ball that suits, having a favourite putter etc.

[BrianW]

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Oxymorons, you could add:

Microsoft Works
Military Intelligence

Friendly Fire
Wayne Rooney's book
Caravan Holiday

[bill reed]

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hi Bampot
i dropped my 2 iron for a 56% wedge that gives me a 47% wedge and a 52% s/wedge and i find i use the 56% wedge about 8 times a round where I'd use the 2 iron maybe 2 times at most, i find the wedge is used more to put me closer to the hole, with the 2 iron i did not find taking it out the bag hurt my game and the 3 iron or 1 iron can be used most time to get the some shot.
cheers
bill

[Neil18]

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Friendly Fire
Wayne Rooney's book
Caravan Holiday

Common sense
News
Labour Party

[LowPost42]

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The 4 wedge system ? Don't you think this is advocating buying your game in the pro. shop ?

No, this is advocating having more options in the scoring range.

In clubfitter parlance, it's called considering the set makeup.

Every piece of literature I've read advocates at least 3 wedges in a modern set - PW, GW, SW. The LW is an 'up to the user' choice, but Pelz advocates it, as he also does an XLW - the 64° special.

I could probably do without my 5w/2i to take a 64, but I found that playing with a 64 was sketchy at best. Perhaps if my swing improves it'll be a better choice.

[BrianW]

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The 4 wedge system ? Don't you think this is advocating buying your game in the pro. shop ?

No, I don't agree Bampot. I carry 4 wedges, PW, GW, SW and LW and make good use out of all of them. Pelz 4 wedge system uses three backswing positions for each wedge to give you a wide range of approach and attack shots, I have plenty of clubs to twat from the tee or down the fairway to eat up distance but when I get within 120 yards of a green this is where I need precision and the right type of ball flight depending on weather and course conditions. I would gladly throw out my driver before one of my wedges.

[jamesh]

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[quote=bdbl;10548195]From the extracts posted on here I'm with James H; I'd probably buy a Readers Digest version of Pelz but I couldn't wade through page after page of his writing - as much a reflection on me as on him of course.

I don't mind an author, if he is thorough and wants to set forth his methodology. I might've been on page 19 of Pelz's e-book -- where he was writing putting isn't hitting overwater -- putting isn't a long drive, and things of that nature. I know this, everybody knows us -- so get to the point!

James H.

[jamesh]

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No, this is advocating having more options in the scoring range.

In clubfitter parlance, it's called considering the set makeup.

I could probably do without my 5w/2i to take a 64, but I found that playing with a 64 was sketchy at best. Perhaps if my swing improves it'll be a better choice.

I bought a 64° wedge about a year and a half ago. I hardly ever use it. Last week I got stuck in a deep bunker, and I know I'm supposed to open the face of the sand wedge, but it feels weird. I ended up using my 60° wedge, with 3° of bounce and got out. I'm wondering for the deep bunkers, with the pin close at hand, maybe that old 64° wedge would come in handy.

James

[bill reed]

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hi jamesh
i use my 56% wedge out the bunker of my course more time than i use the sand wedge as the sand is compacted and gritty. on my old course (links course with deep bunkers)the sand was very fine and i had to use the s/wedge as the 56% dug into much but one the inland course like you say the 56% works really well out the bunkers and hit the ball higher and softer than the s/wedge.
i also found a 60% or a 64% wedge was great for short chips and pitches when you did not use a full shot but i found it harder to get repeatable distance with both clubs sometimes flying very high and short other time sliding under the ball so now i have a 60% wedge in the garage gathering dust.
cheers
bill

[LowPost42]

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From the extracts posted on here I'm with James H; I'd probably buy a Readers Digest version of Pelz but I couldn't wade through page after page of his writing - as much a reflection on me as on him of course.

I don't mind an author, if he is thorough and wants to set forth his methodology. I might've been on page 19 of Pelz's e-book -- where he was writing putting isn't hitting overwater -- putting isn't a long drive, and things of that nature. I know this, everybody knows us -- so get to the point!

James H.

I find an e-book is a totally different read than even reading hardcopy. It's certainly different from reading the actual book.

[bill reed]

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hi
i first got Dave Pelz books on the net and like lowpost said they were hard to read and get into on the computer but i found i did want had hard copy of both books and am glad i did as its much easer to read and find what your looking for too.
cheers
bill

[captglover]

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Dave Pelz is a scientist, who put those research methods into studying the short game. I admit that some the "Why" in his books gets long winded. But his facts are just that, facts. They are based on what actually happens in real golf situations using certain techniques or club choices. They are recommendations based on the percentage of repeatable success. And when you take the time to understand his techniques and practice what he suggests, your short game does improve.

They are many ways to play golf, if you read 3 different golf magazines throughout a year, and the instruction and "tips" in these magazines will all contradict each other's advice by the year's end. But it is funny how many golf tips from Top 100 Teachers, and Touring Pros are re-worded versions of Pelz' techniques! Many players are "feel" players and don't like to get so technical in their approach, but if you talk to the pros, Pelz has had more influence on the short game than any other teacher in the game.

His "tips" arent simple fixes, but I have taken the time to learn his techniques and they work for me. A Lot of people aren't into self analysis of their game. If that works for them, great. But for those of us who want to get better (especially at hitting higher percentage short game shots) and can't afford weekly lessons with the best teachers, Pelz books help.

[Mox]

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I basically agree with everything you say captglover.

After digging through both the Pelz bibles, I think most of the important lessons from Pelz lies elsewhere though.

To me, it wasn't the practice drills suggested by Pelz, not the focus areas of practice either. Nor was it the scientific conclusions and mathematic formulas.

Where Pelz gave me value for my money was in this:

You CAN be a better golfer without having to learn how to physically execute a series of complex motions. The important thing is, that you have the necessary KNOWLEDGE to make clever choices on the course.

Pelz' books are full of that kind of KNOWLEDGE. Knowledge based on a lot of boring science, but knowledge that makes a lot of sense, and which will save you strokes on the course, simply because you'll be playing the odds and optimizing your chances.

An example ...

We have probably all been taught that chipping and pitching is much about getting the ball on the green and rolling as opposed to flying it close to the pin, so our target is often just inside the green, and we pick the club that will fly us to that target and roll us to the pin.

Pelz instead suggests that - if possible - we aim for a "valley" on the green and pick the club that will fly os to THAT point and roll us to the pin. The theory ... no, the FACT ... here being, that if we are short of our target, the ball will hit a downhill slope, jump forward and roll faster - and thus longer - making up for the shot being short of the target.
Should we instead be long of our target, the ball will hit an uphill slope, deflect upward and roll shorter, countering the shot being long of target.

Congratulations! Knowledge of these simple - and indisputable - facts just increased your margin of error. Even if your chipshot or pitchshot is the same miserable skull or duff it always ways, playing your odds like this WILL cut shots off your game.

[bill reed]

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hi
one thing i found so helpful was his clock on the green and how he sets the green with a clock face and works out the high and low points and then where the percentage putt will be and then try and chip to the area, if putting up hill then thats your best putt, the putting down is the second best any putt the has to break across the green the you have less chance to make it as pace is even more important to the break than in the uphill or downhill putt.
if you know where the percentage area is on the green to make putts then you give yourself a better chance at making your putt than someone that just try and puts it close.
cheers
bill