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    Today I went out to Golf Discount because I wanted to see if a different shaft would help with my ball flight on my driver. Every other club is perfect, but my driver has a generally low ball flight which is costing me some distance. I had an aldila NV 65 stiff shaft in my Nike Sasquatch Tour, which the guy said reduces spin, and the NV has a higher kick point. He said I have a very unusual situation in that my launch angle is perfect but I don't generate enough spin and that's why my flight is so low. After hitting drives for about 30 minutes he had me get the aldila nvs which has a lower kick point and should help generate more spin and get me a better ball flight. He said it would feel about the same as my shaft I have right now but the ball flight will be much better.

    Just wondering if you guys think I made the right decision and if the shaft is really important, which I think it is.

    Thanks.

  • #2
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    The NVS is a weaker profile overall, definitely mid and tip. It'll feel softer than your NV, but the softer tip will help your launch angle and spin, but you won't notice a dramatic difference in either if you don't have a mid-late to late release. If your release is mid or earlier, then the dynamic bending of the shaft tip is all done by the time you get to impact, and the shaft is doing far too little to be of any consequence to your launch conditions.

    If you're releasing the club later in the swing, then going to the softer tip will help. The other option to get your RPMs up is going to a spinnier ball...

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    • #3
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      The guy had me hitting pro v1's when he was testing my swing so I don't think the ball could be the issue. When I tried a shaft with a lower kick point (he didnt have the nvs there) my rpm's were way up and the ball flight was much higher.

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      • #4
        Re: Shaft Importance?

        Originally posted by gatorguy146 View Post
        Today I went out to Golf Discount because I wanted to see if a different shaft would help with my ball flight on my driver. Every other club is perfect, but my driver has a generally low ball flight which is costing me some distance. I had an aldila NV 65 stiff shaft in my Nike Sasquatch Tour, which the guy said reduces spin, and the NV has a higher kick point. He said I have a very unusual situation in that my launch angle is perfect but I don't generate enough spin and that's why my flight is so low. After hitting drives for about 30 minutes he had me get the aldila nvs which has a lower kick point and should help generate more spin and get me a better ball flight. He said it would feel about the same as my shaft I have right now but the ball flight will be much better.

        Just wondering if you guys think I made the right decision and if the shaft is really important, which I think it is.

        Thanks.
        It may make a small difference, but I wouldn't expect it to drastically change your ball flight. The location you make contact on the driver also effects spin (have you seen Taylormade's recent ball commercials?). If you contact the ball on the top half of the face you will see a reduction in spin (which could be good or bad depending on your swing and the shot you are trying to hit). Simply changing your tee height could make a difference in where you hit the ball, and how much it spins.

        Overall shafts can be pretty expensive, and you'll have a hard time going back if you don't like the new shaft as much. To anyone else that is thinking about re-shafting to change spin I recommend you look at where your making contact on your clubface, try a different golf ball with a different amount of spin, or get someone with a knowledgable eye to look at your swing (if you don't feel like your swinging well or making solid contact). Each of those is cheaper and easier than going to the trouble of replacing the club shaft.

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        • #5
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          The guy tried all of those and he showed me the numbers he wasn't lying. Like I said he used the Pro V1 which is the highest spinning ball there is. He tried teeing it higher and that didn't help, and about 90% of my hits are either on center or very slightly off but not by much.

          It felt to me like the guy did everything he could to prevent me from having to buy a new shaft but it was the only way he thought he could make my ball flight higher.
          Last edited by gatorguy146; 03-06-2008, 03:45 AM.

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          • #6
            Re: Shaft Importance?

            Maybe you need more loft on your driver

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            • #7
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              That's the thing the guy said that my launch angle is perfect, so he doesn't want me to change from the 9.5 head.
              One guy asked him to put me in a regular flex shaft but he didn't wanna do that and when we tried it i hooked everything and he was like yeah i thought that would happen.

              The NVS is supposed to be for 90 - 100 mph swing speeds and when I do a normal conrolled swing I am at 92-93 mph and around 97-98 when I try to kill it, and it's supposed to have a lower kick point than the NV so hopefully it'll be the one thing I need to fix that ball flight.

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              • #8
                Re: Shaft Importance?

                Originally posted by BrianW View Post
                Maybe you need more loft on your driver
                That's the fastest way to increase both Launch Angle and RPM. I believe it's about 500 RPM per 1° in loft.

                It sounds from where you're hitting the driver on the face, you're generating the most spin you can (ie not high or low).

                Did you try a model with an NV but more loft?

                You can even try an older model whose CoG isn't as far back from the face to increase spin without increasing launch.

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                • #9
                  Re: Shaft Importance?

                  Yeah, he had me hit a 10.5 with an nv shaft but it did no good because it raised my launch angle too high. He said a 9.5 is perfect for my swing because it gives me the right launch angle, but i need a shaft with a lower kick because the NV has a higher kick point and is meant for more powerful swings to where I don't really swing all that hard so he said the NVS would be perfect because the feel would be really similar to the NV but the tip is softer and has a lower kick point.

                  Like he said my swing is very unusual because im hitting it good and getting a great launch angle but i cant produce any spin and he said the nvs would help with that.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Shaft Importance?

                    What were your launch numbers?

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                    • #11
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                      My launch angle was 14
                      the spin rates were at 1900-2100 RPMs
                      Club head speed was 92-93 mph with my normal smooth tempo swing and around 98 when he told me to kill it.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Shaft Importance?

                        Running those numbers through the Vector Pro software, this gives me an average carry of 206 yards (at a 1.4 PTR) (ball speed 130 MPH).

                        At this point, more loft is your friend.

                        This fitter is subscribing to the school of '14° and 2500 RPM is the perfect launch'.

                        From Trackman:

                        Originally posted by Trackman
                        Attack angle, together with club head speed, are the individual swing parameters which dictate the dynamic loft (loft of club at impact) your driver should accomplish. If you have a 90 mph club head speed with an attack angle of -5 degrees (hitting down on the ball), your optimal launch angle/spin rate is around 10 degrees and 3100 rpm.This would typically require a relatively high lofted driver (around 13-15 deg) to achieve this. On the other hand, if your attack angle is +5 degrees (hitting up on the ball) with the same 90 mph club head speed, your optimal launch angle/spin rate is around 16 degrees and 2200 rpm, but this would require a relatively low lofted driver (around 9-10 deg) to achieve this. Significantly, this last combination will carry the ball almost 30 yards further than the -5 degrees negative attack angle numbers.
                        While the VP software doesn't take into account AoA, the numbers show that maximum carry for that ball speed at 16° LA (and with 2300 spin - about what you'd see from going up 2° in loft) is 216 yards.

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                        • #13
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                          I was carrying the ball 250 when I was tested with my NV shaft, when i hit the NVS it was 270+, idk the exact numbers that was just a guess.
                          Last edited by gatorguy146; 03-06-2008, 11:45 PM.

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                          • #14
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                            With a low 90's SS, you're physically unable to carry the ball 250. Not you physically, but in the world of physics. You could get 250 with a 100 MPH swing and a perfect 1.5 PTR.

                            With my 104 MPH SS and less-than perfect contact, I struggle to carry the ball 240.

                            I'm not sayin' it to be mean, but to alert you to the likelihood of a jacked up sim.

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                            • #15
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                              You'd be surprised how far i actually do hit the ball.

                              Not everything has to be explained by numbers.

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