Re: what "under-club" means? and other phrase

More club = less lofted club (3 iron, 4, iron, etc)
Less club = more lofted club (8 iron, 9 iron, etc)
Over-club = hit the ball too far
Under-club = didn't hit the ball far enough
(over and under club assume that you hit the ball well, but it went too far or not enough, respectively. Over and under clubbing is usually in reference to hitting into the green).

Take more club - take a club that will hit it further.
Take less club - take a club that will hit it shorter.

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underclubbing-Using a club that does not give the needed distance to the target

plenty of club-Using a club that does not gives more than the needed distance to the target

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Oh, I understand now : )

LowPost42 and slater170 - thank you very much!

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Take more club - take a club that will hit it further.
and
plenty of club-Using a club that does not give more than the needed distance to the target

plenty = more
So a golfer should hit further from the target or not more than the needed distance?

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Golf clubs are designed to hit a certain (normal) distance for that club. If you under club then you choose a club that will not reach the desired target. If you over club then you choose a club that hits past the desired target. The skill being that you judge the distance you wish to hit the ball (your target) and pick a suitable club that will hit it to the target, (The right club).

To take plenty of club means that you should err on Over Clubbing for the shot as the distance is deceiving and requires a longer club than expected.

Its a bit like Goldylocks and the three bears

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Oh thank you BrianW!
so taking plenty of club is like "it is better to hit a little longer distance of the target, but not shorter" as I understand now.

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Well, another question (when you are fed up with me, just tell):
how do you understand the phrase "to stop and drop"?
The context: "A slice is like a cut shot in tennis or table tennis. The wrists are held held firm and the head of the weapon held back and open - and you use a cut-across action to drop and stop the shot"?
Cut-across - diagonally?
to drop and stop - ?

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Drop and stop refers to a ball that hits the green and doesn't roll out or spin back. Also known as hitting a 'stun' shot.

Cut shot synonymous with fade, slice, cutter. Refers to a ball flight that bends away from the player. It's accomplished by having the face open to the swing path while striking the ball.

How the two go together: A cut shot produces a higher ball flight (holding the club face open increases loft) and adds more backspin as a result. This higher flight and more spin helps the ball to 'drop' on the green and 'stop' moving once it lands.

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Oh thanks. how much information hides behind a few words.

And, I hope, the last question..
When talking about matchplay and its points on etiquette:
"If receiving a stroke when playing matchplay under handicap, the player receiving the stroke should announce this. He is responsible for claiming the stroke."
receive a stroke - ?
under handicap - is it playing off handicap? I know that handicap means "the rating of a player's skill", buuuut... how should we understand?

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Under handicap: Handicaps are used in this competition. The other method is playing 'off scratch' - meaning handicaps aren't used. An example of an 'off scratch' are PGA Tour events - everybody plays, and their score is their score.

In a handicap match, your score is reduced by your handicap.

So 'under handicap' means that it's a handicap match.

Where players have differing handicaps (for example player A has a 15 handicap and player B has a 10 handicap), the higher handicap player receives strokes - in this instance, player A receives strokes.

On a scorecard, there is vital information. One row is the hole numbers, another row is the hole yardages, and a third row is the stroke index, numbered 1 to 18, and very, very likely not in order of the holes played. It's this stroke index that indicates WHERE a player receives his strokes. The index is ranked 1 as the hardest hole and 18 as the easiest.

In our scenario from above, player A receives 5 strokes from player B. On stroke index holes 1 through 5 inclusive player A gets to play one more stroke than player B for the same NET score.

For example, because A gets a stroke, if A scores 6 and B scores 5, they halve the hole (no winner) because A gets a stroke, reducing his 6 to a 5. On a hole where A does NOT get a stroke, if A scores 6 and B scores 5, A loses the hole.

Re: what "under-club" means? and other phrase

LowPost42, wow, it's much easier to understand when a normal human explains : )

On the basis that you receive 3 points for a birdie, 2 points for a par and 1 point for one over par" put down the number of points scored at each hole".

so you write 3 points if your number of shots is lower in one than par, 2 - completed in shots equal to par and 1 - completed in one or more shots more than par?

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Handicap index is the same as stroke index, yes.

Player C owes player B 10 strokes and player A 15 strokes. Player B also owes player A 5 strokes, however this does NOT mean that player A now gets 20 strokes, rather, he's allowed to shoot a score one stroke higher than both B and C on the first 5 handicap holes.

So in your scenario where all 3 players make a 3 on the #7 handicap hole, here's how it breaks down:

C shoots a 3
B shoots a 2 relative to player C and a 3 relative to player A
A shoots a 2 relative to player C and a 3 relative to player B

In keeping with the 3,3,3 scores, here's how it plays out on the handicap holes:

HCP holes 1-5,
C shoots a 3
B shoots a 2 relative to player C and a 3 relative to player A
A shoots a 2 relative to player C and a 2 relative to player B
Result: A wins the hole

HCP holes 6-10
C shoots a 3
B shoots a 2 relative to player C and a 3 relative to player A
A shoots a 2 relative to player C and a 3 relative to player B
Result: A & B beat C, and tie with one another.

HCP holes 11-15
C shoots a 3
B shoots a 3 relative to player C and a 3 relative to player A
A shoots a 2 relative to player C and a 3 relative to player B
Result: A beats C, B & C tie, A & B tie

HCP holes 16-18
C shoots a 3
B shoots a 3 relative to player C and a 3 relative to player A
A shoots a 3 relative to player C and a 3 relative to player B
Result: By this time there are no more strokes given, you shoot what you shoot.

hope that helps

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This is a Stableford competition, and you're close. You get 1 point for 1 over par (bogey), but 0 points for anything more than 1 over par (double bogey or worse).


Two terms to understand are Gross and Net, your Gross score being what you actually shot, and your Net score being what you shot, less any handicap strokes that apply. In other words, in a scenario where it takes you 4 strokes to hole out, and you get a stroke on that hole, your Gross score is 4, and your net score is 3. So to figure out your scoring, you'd use 3.