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    Ball falls early

    Hi All,

    MerryXmas and a great new year to you all.

    I was wondering if anyone out there could offer any advice. when I play a shot, and this is noticable moreso with my Driver. I hit the shot which is predominatly straight probably slightly higher than I would like though. Thats not to say iam balooning my Drives, would just like to see them slightly lower, as this would give a more penetrating flight, maybe.
    Any way, once the ball has been struck it appears the ball would be travelling at a fair old speed but it appears to fall out of the sky and travels around 230 yrds with little roll, sometimes when I do get the ball to roll it will probaly come to rest around 240 - 250 ish. dont get me wrong this kind of distance is acceptable. Iam just wondering though if iam forfitting distance

    I wonder if anyone could offer any advice.

    Thanks in advance

    Killer
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    Re: Ball falls early

    Sounds like too little spin if it's not shooting way up in the air before falling.

    Try a spinnier ball, more loft, or a softer-tipped shaft.

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    • #3
      Re: Ball falls early

      Originally posted by LowPost42 View Post
      Sounds like too little spin if it's not shooting way up in the air before falling.

      Try a spinnier ball, more loft, or a softer-tipped shaft.

      Thanks Low Post.

      I actually think its the spin thats the demon here. The ball gets up quick enough,and appears to be a fairly long shot. Only for it to just kind of drop like a bomb. Probably too much spin, maybe

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      • #4
        Re: Ball falls early

        hi
        with spin! the more you have the longer the ball stays in the air, but that does not mean it it be longer. as spin drops off the ball does not clime and starts to drop.
        i do think Lowpost had it right that its a lack of spin and not to much. you might find your hitting the ball to high up the face and that gives you less spin. check to see where the ball makes contact on the face as if it up high that may be the problem.
        the new drivers do have the sweet spot higher than the middle of the face so check to find out where the sweet spot is on the driver face first.
        cheers
        bill
        Last edited by bill reed; 12-28-2008, 12:09 AM.

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        • #5
          Re: Ball falls early

          The path of a golf ball is more the shape of an upturned hockey stick and not like an arc or rainbow. As the ball reaches the apex of it's flight it will fall to the ground on a steeper angle than it ascended. The steeper the ball is launched due to both it's spin and launch angle the more dramatic will be the angle of descent and therefore the chances of the ball plugging.

          If you want a lower more penetrating long ball flight then swing the driver more around your body on a shallow plane so that the impact transfers more energy into the balls core, the loft will create enough spin to keep it airborne.

          Just try what is shown in this video. It may seem to go against what you believe but you may also be pleased with the result

          http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3E9JauywdRM
          Last edited by BrianW; 12-30-2008, 09:47 PM.

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          • #6
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            Last edited by golfinguy28; 02-14-2009, 06:11 AM.

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            • #7
              Re: Ball falls early

              Originally posted by golfinguy28 View Post
              Did he really suggest to bend over more to get a flatter plane or did I hear that wrong? I would not reccomend listening to this guy, as it appears he has no clue what he is talking about.
              If you bend over more you get a flatter plane, standing more vertical creates a steeper plane. Did you watch him swinging flat around his body? As you bend forward with your hands hanging straight down the angle of the shaft has to lower and create a flatter plane.

              This may be enlightening:
              http://roundabout.bz/Inside%20Pages/...golf08-08.html
              Last edited by BrianW; 01-02-2009, 10:16 PM.

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              • #8
                Re: Ball falls early

                Originally posted by BrianW View Post
                If you bend over more you get a flatter plane, standing more vertical creates a steeper plane. Did you watch him swinging flat around his body As you bend forward with your hands hanging straight down the angle of the shaft has to lower and create a flatter plane.

                Just think about it and give it a try before making unconsidered opinions.


                This may be enlightening:
                http://roundabout.bz/Inside%20Pages/...golf08-08.html

                It's actually contrary to every single piece information regarding upright and bent over I've ever seen, read, or heard. Driver is a flatter plane than wedge because driver is swung with a more upright posture than wedge.

                While I get if you bend over you create a flatter shaft plane, but the swing plane gets steeper. Swing plane is > shaft plane IMO. Setup your stance to get the swing plane you want.

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                • #9
                  Re: Ball falls early

                  Originally posted by BrianW View Post
                  If you bend over more you get a flatter plane, standing more vertical creates a steeper plane. Did you watch him swinging flat around his body As you bend forward with your hands hanging straight down the angle of the shaft has to lower and create a flatter plane.

                  Just think about it and give it a try before making unconsidered opinions.


                  This may be enlightening:
                  http://roundabout.bz/Inside%20Pages/...golf08-08.html
                  I actually tried this today, all it really promotes is a hook. As the flatter the plane, the more your'e likely to catch the ball from into out. I went out today to try a new Driver & 3 Wood. I must say it was a bit cold though - 2.5deg, us Golfers eh.

                  Incidently, whats your thoughts on how much distance would be sacrificed playing at - 2.5 Deg, as opposed normal English weather for this time of year, which Iam guessing would be around + 5. on say a normal drive distance of around 220 / 230yrds.

                  Cheers

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                  • #10
                    Re: Ball falls early

                    Originally posted by LowPost42 View Post
                    It's actually contrary to every single piece information regarding upright and bent over I've ever seen, read, or heard. Driver is a flatter plane than wedge because driver is swung with a more upright posture than wedge.

                    While I get if you bend over you create a flatter shaft plane, but the swing plane gets steeper. Swing plane is > shaft plane IMO. Setup your stance to get the swing plane you want.
                    Then read up on the one plane swing, it requires a more bent over spine so that the club is swung around the body rather than up and down. If you swing the club around your body like he does in the video your swing plane will be close to your shaft plane (just like Iron Byron and Moe)

                    The wedge should be swung with the ball closer to you and on a steeper plane that chops down and creates a divot (the Ferris wheel) the driver swings around and sweeps the ball on a shallower plane (the merry-go-round)

                    The plane angle of a club is set by the angle of the shaft at address. Most power is transferred from the clubhead to the ball with the driver when it approaches and strikes the ball near horizontal, this pummels the force from the club directly into the core of the ball, more acute contact creates less force transfer. 3 Skills uses this method with the driver.

                    Try thinking outside the box even give it a try, you might be pleased with the result.
                    Last edited by BrianW; 12-31-2008, 05:17 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Ball falls early

                      Originally posted by killer View Post
                      I actually tried this today, all it really promotes is a hook. As the flatter the plane, the more your'e likely to catch the ball from into out. I went out today to try a new Driver & 3 Wood. I must say it was a bit cold though - 2.5deg, us Golfers eh.

                      Incidently, whats your thoughts on how much distance would be sacrificed playing at - 2.5 Deg, as opposed normal English weather for this time of year, which Iam guessing would be around + 5. on say a normal drive distance of around 220 / 230yrds.

                      Cheers
                      If you hook it then your grip may be strong or you may be overactive with wrist rotation. Anyhow, sorry my advice doesn't seem to have helped.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Ball falls early

                        Originally posted by BrianW View Post
                        If you hook it then your grip may be strong or you may be overactive with wrist rotation. Anyhow, sorry my advice doesn't seem to have helped.
                        I will Try this out next time iam at the Driving range. The range will allow me to give it a real test.

                        will let you know how it goes.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Ball falls early

                          Originally posted by killer View Post
                          I will Try this out next time iam at the Driving range. The range will allow me to give it a real test.

                          will let you know how it goes.

                          I would suggest that you stay centered and stacked with this swing, no hip slide just swing around your body like in the video. I never suggest anything I have not tried myself and I can stripe drives with a nice draw using this method.

                          Good luck.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Ball falls early

                            Originally posted by LowPost42 View Post
                            It's actually contrary to every single piece information regarding upright and bent over I've ever seen, read, or heard. Driver is a flatter plane than wedge because driver is swung with a more upright posture than wedge.

                            While I get if you bend over you create a flatter shaft plane, but the swing plane gets steeper. Swing plane is > shaft plane IMO. Setup your stance to get the swing plane you want.

                            hi lowpost
                            what you say is true but what you don't say is in the two plane "more upright swing" the arms swing on a plane much more upright to the shoulders plane and this gives the more upright swing plane.
                            in the one plane swing the arms swing on the same plane "or close to it" as the shoulders and this gives a much flatter plane.
                            cheers
                            bill
                            Last edited by bill reed; 12-31-2008, 06:14 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Ball falls early

                              Originally posted by bill reed View Post
                              hi lowpost
                              what you say is true but what you don't say is in the one plane "more upright swing" the arms swing on a plane much more upright to the shoulders plane and this gives the more upright swing plane.
                              in the two plane swing the arms swing on the same plane "or close to it" as the shoulders and this gives a much flatter plane.
                              cheers
                              bill
                              Thats right Bill but you got the planes mixed

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