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    Billiards

    Hi everyone, we have an older member in our club Who has an interesting interpretation of some of the rules.Here is one.The hole is relatively surrounded by balls and he is putting from the edge of the green.He will insist that the balls be left where they are and not be marked and removed.I can fully understand the advantage he may get from this but can he insist on this ?He gets a bit heated if they are marked.
    Regards ,Peter
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    Re: Billiards

    Hi Peter,

    Here's the way I see it.

    I gather the key point is he is not on the green, so if he hits any of the balls, there is no penalty for him. He plays his ball where it comes to rest, and the hit ball is moved back to it's original position. Also, he has figured that his putting line is clear of the other balls on the green, so he will not have his good putt stopped by them, but if his putt strays and hits one of the other balls, he'll be close to the hole anyways.

    Being the player away, I believe he could ask for the balls to be left in place.

    If he was on the green and he hits any of the balls, he would incur a penalty (two strokes in stroke play, loss of hole in match play).

    Ted

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    • #3
      Re: Billiards

      ontop of what rotator just said.

      it's not up to this player to ask to leave these balls in place... it's not his ball so the other players can do what they like. if they want to pick it up and mark it then they can. if this guy insists that they must be left there he's dreaming.

      example.. his ball is on the fringe and 3 opponent balls miraclously end up within 2 feet of each other in a straight line behind the hole which could be used as a backstop.... you and this other player are on the same score for a win. your shot is an easy tap in birdie while his is a 20footer... there isn't anyway your going to leave the ball there to help him out and possibly take the win from you.

      another eg.if you were playing in a major comp, you would do everything within the rules to benefit yourself, but not help fellow competitors.. for eg. helping them look for their lost ball.. does not say in the rule book you must help them, but in local comps we do this to help speed up play.

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      • #4
        Re: Billiards

        It gets even more wild:

        Decision to Rule 22: Ball assisting or interfering with play

        22/6
        Q: In stroke play, B’s ball lies just off the putting green. A’s ball lies near the hole in a position to serve as a backstop for B’s ball. B requests A not to lift his ball. Is such a request proper?

        A: No. If A and B agree not to lift a ball that might assist B, both players are disqualified under Rule 22-1.

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        • #5
          Re: Billiards

          Rule 22-1 is pretty clear here...

          Except when a ball is in motion, if a player considers that a ball might assist any other player, he may:

          a. Lift the ball if it is his ball; or
          b. Have any other ball lifted.

          A ball lifted under this Rule must be replaced (see Rule 20-3). The ball must not be cleaned, unless it lies on the putting green (see Rule 21).

          In stroke play, a player required to lift his ball may play first rather than lift the ball.

          In stroke play, if the Committee determines that competitors have agreed not to lift a ball that might assist any competitor, they are disqualified.

          So, to address the OP, it really doesn't matter what the older member wants. If the owner of any of those balls on the green already believe that they may assist him, they are entitled to ask him to wait until they are marked. If he wants to take advantage of that situation, he best just be quiet, not draw attention to the situation and get on with playing.

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          • #6
            Re: Billiards

            Hi guys,

            That was interesting.

            One thing I missed and which is the object of the ruling in the book, is that essentially the field has to be protected (the rules may be relaxed in casual play, but the rules are nevertheless there). So, you as player A cannot aid player B (the putter in this case), because it jeopardizes the field.

            Ted

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            • #7
              Re: Billiards

              Thanks everyone for your input.It does show the necessity of knowing the rules, a lot of which are there to to ensure a level playing field for all.I have really enjoyed the discussion.By the way most people in the comp know what he is up to now.

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              • #8
                Re: Billiards

                Spot on Scragger and LP.....!
                Last edited by vp27519; 03-21-2009, 12:11 AM. Reason: spelling

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                • #9
                  Re: Billiards

                  Surprisingly I have been asked to do the same. But, It is my ball, and I always mark it, pick it up, and clean it. I never did actually know thr ruling on this till now. Sounds Like one of those "older members" who actually believes that old age, and trechery will over come youth, and skill.......lol

                  GJS

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                  • #10
                    Re: Billiards

                    Originally posted by golfjunkiesr View Post
                    surprisingly i have been asked to do the same. But, it is my ball, and i always mark it, pick it up, and clean it. I never did actually know thr ruling on this till now. Sounds like one of those "older members" who actually believes that old age, and trechery will over come youth, and skill.......lol

                    gjs

                    lofl!!!!!!!

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