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  • #31
    Re: The Great Distance Debate

    Advice:

    "Advice" is any counsel or suggestion that could influence a player in determining his play, the choice of a club or the method of making a stroke.

    Information on the Rules or on matters of public information such as the position of hazards or the flagstick on the putting green, is not advice.

    RCGA rulebook

    So, it could be construed as 'stop hitting into the trees' as advice.

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    • #32
      Re: The Great Distance Debate

      Here is a decision that may apply to the hijacked thread:

      R&A Decision 8-1/13:
      Player Giving Opponent or Fellow-Competitor Instruction During Round

      Q: During a round a player tells an opponent or a fellowcompetitor that he is overswinging. Is this giving advice in breach of Rule 8-1?

      A: Yes.

      I am sure you could replace "overswinging" with anything else to do with a swing "should stop hitting it in the trees", "should stop barking like a dog at the top of his backswing", etc.

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      • #33
        Re: The Great Distance Debate

        Well in fairness to the actual event the old guy did ask if he could offer advice before he gave it. He then said the guy had a much better swing when he slowed his rythmn/tempo

        I didnt even consider this to be a rules breach and by this point I dont think the other chap even cared

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        • #34
          Re: The Great Distance Debate

          Originally posted by pnearn
          Well in fairness to the actual event the old guy did ask if he could offer advice before he gave it. He then said the guy had a much better swing when he slowed his rythmn/tempo

          I didnt even consider this to be a rules breach and by this point I dont think the other chap even cared
          well its the giving of advice that is illegal, so its the old guy who gets penalised, even if he did "ask".
          Same as you cannot ask someone to not mark their ball on the green (if you ar chipping on for example)

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          • #35
            Re: The Great Distance Debate

            Originally posted by Started2k3
            Here is a decision that may apply to the hijacked thread:

            R&A Decision 8-1/13:
            Player Giving Opponent or Fellow-Competitor Instruction During Round

            Q: During a round a player tells an opponent or a fellowcompetitor that he is overswinging. Is this giving advice in breach of Rule 8-1?

            A: Yes.

            I am sure you could replace "overswinging" with anything else to do with a swing "should stop hitting it in the trees", "should stop barking like a dog at the top of his backswing", etc.
            Yes thats obvious, but if you guys penalise people for things so trivial as that (and i really hope you don't).. then im sorry but i would never play comp with you... we are not pro's. If it was in a tournament on the pga or something then fair enough, but i doubt pro's would be giving each other advise in any case.
            Last edited by RacLt7; 03-20-2006, 09:32 AM.

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            • #36
              Re: The Great Distance Debate

              but who gets to decide whats Trivial and what is an integral rule?
              I'll tell you who, the R&A and the USGA, thats who.
              You either play by all the rules and nothing but the rules or you dont play against others.
              Do you call penalties on yourself for moving the ball, breaking branches, etc?

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              • #37
                Re: The Great Distance Debate

                I guess its just me.. im too much of a nice guy.

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                • #38
                  Re: The Great Distance Debate

                  Just stay quiet, answer questions about the course, and enjoy your golf game.

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                  • #39
                    Re: The Great Distance Debate

                    That's real incisive food for thought Mizuno man, and reminds me of a book I once read called 'a round with Tommy Armour' - much of the the same advice given in this book was similar to your thoughts.

                    After I read that book, I played with a different attitude, I didn't look at a green 150yds away and think that a really well struck 8 iron should do it - instead, I'd take a 7 iron and hit it easy, Armour's principal advice was that if the first option was your idea of the perfect shot, how often could you hit that perfect shot? - if the answer was less tha 9 out of ten times - take a club more and swing it easy. I sure worked for me.

                    Another gem from this book was to play old man par, always play the course, and not the man.

                    Thanks for reminding me, my games been slipping a bit of late, time to re-apply that good advice again!

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                    • #40
                      Re: The Great Distance Debate

                      Getting a good drive puts you in the right frame of mind. But how far is a good drive? I think it varies. When I was 25 years younger, I recall playing a fellow that was 35 older than me. I out drove this fellow on every hole, scrambled to make a good second and third shot...and he still won the hole by hitting the ball shorter and straighter and putting well. The bottom line is fewest strokes. Older and smarter today, the young bucks are driving 30-40 years longer than me. My goal is to hit my shots down the fairway and stay out of the rough, bunker and the water like that old guy. Good plan...wish I could master it.

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