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    Is marking on your putter with a permanent marker legal? For alignment purposes

  • #2
    Re: Putting Alignment

    No..............

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    • #3
      Re: Putting Alignment

      Originally posted by GregJWillis
      No..............
      I'm not sure that is categorically correct.

      It is illegal to mark the FACE of the putter, but surely it's okay to draw a line over the top of the putter edge and down the back?

      Almost every modern putter has some kind of alignment tool built in anyway.

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      • #4
        Re: Putting Alignment

        Interesting, never thought of the face part being considered a valuable alignment tool (since at setup you don't really see anything on it - maybe a slight amount). But I can't imagine that a mark on the face is out of the rules either. Will have to look.

        But the top as you say is perfectly legal.

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        • #5
          Re: Putting Alignment

          Originally posted by GregJWillis
          Interesting, never thought of the face part being considered a valuable alignment tool (since at setup you don't really see anything on it - maybe a slight amount). But I can't imagine that a mark on the face is out of the rules either. Will have to look.

          But the top as you say is perfectly legal.
          Problem isn't a mark for alignment, but that marks on the clubface of ANY club can be used to evaluate point of impact, which is an illegal aid.

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          • #6
            Re: Putting Alignment

            Originally posted by Mox
            Problem isn't a mark for alignment, but that marks on the clubface of ANY club can be used to evaluate point of impact, which is an illegal aid.
            much easier to just mark the ball....

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            • #7
              Re: Putting Alignment

              Originally posted by GreeBoman
              much easier to just mark the ball....

              Sure, but that won't tell you how and where your club contacts the ball.

              You would mark the ball for different reasons than you would mark the club-face.

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              • #8
                Re: Putting Alignment

                Originally posted by gopokes111
                Is marking on your putter with a permanent marker legal? For alignment purposes
                Yes... My friend did it too his and i know one of the pga professionals has done it, they use a try square at the face of the putter and mark a straight line through too the back, cant remember the guy who did it, he was on the golf show.

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                • #9
                  Re: Putting Alignment

                  Originally posted by Mox
                  Sure, but that won't tell you how and where your club contacts the ball.

                  You would mark the ball for different reasons than you would mark the club-face.
                  ehhh yes it would, the mark on the ball will be transferred to the club face...
                  I use it all the time to see if I am hitting out of the middle of my driver.

                  The reasons for marking either (other than identification) are to determine the point of contact.
                  The ball hits the club face in the same place that the club face hits the ball!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Putting Alignment

                    Originally posted by GreeBoman
                    ehhh yes it would, the mark on the ball will be transferred to the club face...
                    I use it all the time to see if I am hitting out of the middle of my driver.
                    I'm fairly sure that is illegal for anything other than practice. Will dig into it a little bit more.

                    The reasons for marking either (other than identification) are to determine the point of contact.
                    The ball hits the club face in the same place that the club face hits the ball!
                    Actually, you can also mark balls in order to line them up for putting, which is fully legal (again, I believe UNLESS it leaves a mark on the putter face).

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                    • #11
                      Re: Putting Alignment

                      Originally posted by Mox
                      I'm fairly sure that is illegal for anything other than practice. Will dig into it a little bit more.
                      It would be fairly hard to prove that you were marking your ball for impact reasons rather than identification.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Putting Alignment

                        Originally posted by GreeBoman
                        It would be fairly hard to prove that you were marking your ball for impact reasons rather than identification.
                        No - not if it leaves a mark on your club face. After all - unless the entire ball is painted, you have to explicitely place it on the tee, so that it would leave a mark. In the case of a line, you could very easily place it so that it would not leave a mark, and if you know that the rules doesn't allow it, then any mark would see you busted.

                        Knowing infringing the rules is a violation of 1-3, and REALLY bad etiquette as well.

                        In fact, it is not the commitee that has to prove that you marked it for impact reasons, but you that need to prove that you did not.

                        That is ... IF it is illegal at all. I'll get back to you on that.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Putting Alignment

                          Originally posted by Mox
                          unless the entire ball is painted, you have to explicitely place it on the tee, so that it would leave a mark.
                          I never place the ball on the tee for the purposes of impact detection, yet I often see marks on the clubface where my personal identification mark impacted.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Putting Alignment

                            Originally posted by GreeBoman
                            I never place the ball on the tee for the purposes of impact detection, yet I often see marks on the clubface where my personal identification mark impacted.
                            There in lies the issue.

                            You can't purporsely place the ball on the tee in such a way that you get a mark on the club face that you can use to evaluate your contact and 'measure conditions that might affect your play' (14-3b).
                            So you can't really purposely line the ball up on the tee in such a way that a mark on the ball would rub off onto the club face, if it is in any way possible to line up the ball in such a way that it does not.

                            Also you can't purposely mark the ball with the intent to make use of marks set on the club face. So you can't go around 'refreshing' your mark every hole to make sure you get a decent mark on the club face.

                            Problem is - it is your obligation to ensure that you play the game inside the rules.

                            So what happens if your playing partner / opponent notices that you are studying a mark on the club face of your driver? Personally, I'd call the ref over and ask him about 14-3b.

                            If he/she agrees with me, the penalty is a DQ. Are you willing to risk that?



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                            [b]14 Striking the ball[/b]
                            
                            The R& A reserves the right, at any time, to change the Rules 
                            relating to artificial devices and unusual equipment and make 
                            or change the interpretations relating to these Rules. 
                            
                            A player in doubt as to whether use of an item would constitute 
                            a breach of Rule 14-3 should consult the R& A. 
                            
                            A manufacturer may submit to the R& A a sample of an item to be 
                            manufactured for a ruling as to whether its use during a stipulated 
                            round would cause a player to be in breach of Rule 14-3. The sample
                            becomes the property of the R& A for reference purposes. If a 
                            manufacturer fails to submit a sample before manufacturing and/or 
                            marketing the item, the manufacturer assumes the risk of a ruling 
                            that use of the item would be contrary to the Rules. 
                            
                            Except as provided in the Rules, during a stipulated round the player 
                            must not use any artificial device or unusual equipment: 
                            
                            a. That might assist him in making a stroke or in his play; or 
                            
                            b. For the purpose of gauging or measuring distance or conditions 
                            that might affect his play; or 
                            
                            c. That might assist him in gripping the club, except that: 
                            
                            (i) plain gloves may be worn;
                            
                            (ii) resin, powder and drying or moisturising agents may be used; and 
                            
                            (iii) a towel or handkerchief may be wrapped around the grip. 
                            
                            
                            PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 14-3: 
                            Disqualification.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Putting Alignment

                              Marking your putter is fine. But it must be done before the round and can't be retouched during..... I love this game and it's crazy rules!!

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