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**ogallalabob** · 08-11-2006, 03:54 PM

Re: Golfing misconception regarding power

Originally posted by CusePhil

Did you take video or have someone watch you while doing this test? If not, it is really hard to "feel" the difference between 7 and 9 o'clock and completely eliminating wrist cock. Those are pretty interesting results nonetheless.

At least my understanding is that, for wrist cocking to really increase power it needs to be a very late release of the wrists. I have read that Hogan was double jointed and that he could maintain the club angle longer there by holding off the release just before impact and increasing club head speed just before contact.

My guess is that for a experiment to be proper one would have to make sure at what point the release of the arm angle occured.

Bob

**ogallalabob** · 08-11-2006, 03:57 PM

Re: Golfing misconception regarding power

Originally posted by Iktomi

Does anyone know about the summation of force? If I understand the concept (which I may or may not) it has something to do with each piece of the body involved in the swing moving towards the same endpoint. So the slowest moving part would be the upper leg/hip and increasing the speed would be the ab/back, shoulders, arms then the hands. I would bet that the biggest power gain or loss would be in the timing of the movement. Just a thought.

I would agree, I have read a lot of qputes from the pro's about how to gain power is to increase the club head speed when the club is 6 inches behind the ball. As well as experts on how novices (I must fall into this group) waste a lot of the club head speed to early.

Bob

**shootin4par** · 08-11-2006, 04:38 PM

Re: Golfing misconception regarding power

Originally posted by ogallalabob

I would agree, I have read a lot of qputes from the pro's about how to gain power is to increase the club head speed when the club is 6 inches behind the ball. As well as experts on how novices (I must fall into this group) waste a lot of the club head speed to early.

Bob

when that rear wrist comes uncupped, that is when you loose it. It gets the club out in front of the hands, which puts the club out in front of the bodily position that is supposed to stay behind which in turn disconnects the hands from the rest of the body. It breaks the chain of events from being shoulders arms hands club to being hands club. this does not allow for a solid brace at impact, nor does it allow you to accelerate through the ball

**2pe** · 08-18-2006, 06:08 AM

Re: Golfing misconception regarding power

Hi Aft. We need to isolate the concept that body cells burn glucose to obtain energy and focus on the first law of thermodynamics, “energy only is transformed but remains constant”. If we want to reach to a productive conclution.

As far I know there are three kinds of energies transferred to a hitted ball; Cinetic energy, Gravitational potential energy, and elastic energy. The first one, the gratest, deals with the club head speed. The second one referes to the maximum height of the club head related to the ball at the back swing, and the last one depends on the face of the club head and ball materials.

To obtain the maximum speed it is more important to avoid leaks of energy; in musle tentions, hip blocks, grips, etc etc….To prompt higher speed; perfect timing, release, etc.

We have nothing to do with the potential energy, and the elastic energy are peanuts compared with cinetic energy, For tour pros a peanut might mean thousand of dollars.

Congratulations, terrific thread. Sorry for my grammar, is worst that my swing, but I am working on both.

**tommyc** · 08-31-2006, 08:01 PM

Re: Golfing misconception regarding power

Regarding your link to scigolf, is he saying that 85% of the power in a golf swing comes from throwing the club at the ball with the right hand as in Hogan's 5 Fundamentals? What happened to centrifugal force?

**BrianW** · 09-04-2006, 10:36 AM

Re: Golfing misconception regarding power

Aftford, I agree.

Like many others I wasted a great deal of time when I started out in golf searching for the coiling forces in the legs, hips, shoulders etc to generate long drives. It was only when I started using the release to generate club head speed that things started improving. It is also true that good timing plays a big part in the way the club is delivered to the ball.

Grip, stance, alignment, takeaway, backswing etc etc are the important parts that position the club and body so that the angles in the wrist can be released to generate clubhead speed and power at impact by hitting hard with the right hand.

**GreeBoman** · 09-04-2006, 12:10 PM

Re: Golfing misconception regarding power

You say that the backswing is purely positional, that it doesnt store power.
Here is a challenge, can you hold your backswing indefinitely?
If its not storing power via a coil then there should be no tension or strain to hold it.

**BrianW** · 09-04-2006, 12:23 PM

Re: Golfing misconception regarding power

Originally posted by GreeBoman

You say that the backswing is purely positional, that it doesnt store power.
Here is a challenge, can you hold your backswing indefinitely?
If its not storing power via a coil then there should be no tension or strain to hold it.

I didn't really say that.

I referred to the coiling power of the torso in relation to the power generated at impact through the release of the angle in the wrists.

There is an amount of coiling in the body that assists in the unwinding of the downswing but it is not the powerhouse that creates velocity of the clubhead through the ball.

**bill reed** · 09-04-2006, 12:31 PM

Re: Golfing misconception regarding power

hi
surely its all the diffrent parts added together that make up a powerful swing, without a firm stance and good posture and a good grip. a good wide arc, and timing and a down swing that starts with a small hip slid and turn, and the arms extending and the wrist uncocking at right point. impact with the club face square to the ball and on the sweet spot, any of the above not working would reduce power at impact and have negative affect on the flight of the ball.
bill

**BrianW** · 09-04-2006, 12:45 PM

Re: Golfing misconception regarding power

Originally posted by bill reed

hi
surely its all the different parts added together that make up a powerful swing, without a firm stance and good posture and a good grip. a good wide arc, and timing and a down swing that starts with a small hip slid and turn, and the arms extending and the wrist uncocking at right point. impact with the club face square to the ball and on the sweet spot, any of the above not working would reduce power at impact and have negative affect on the flight of the ball.
bill

Yes Bill, that's correct. These parts set you up so that power can be generated effectively. It would be no good generating maximum head speed if it was not directed at the ball or with a square clubface at impact. All the best airshots do that wrong

This thread is asking the question "What generates power in the golf swing" or what is the powerhouse, I think Aftford is correct in saying it is mainly generated by the release of the wrist angles.

**bill reed** · 09-04-2006, 01:04 PM

Re: Golfing misconception regarding power

hi
you could say the it is the club head or the club shaft, having the extra kick of the shaft adds that all important extra power just at the right second and the new faces on the drivers give that extra power too, but if any of the other things are out the then that dont matter. i take your point about what generates the power but does it matter if you generate a huge anount of power but cant put the face of the club square on the ball, the result is you must do all or it dont matter and they all add you to giving you that power, not just one thing or onr part.
bill

**BrianW** · 09-04-2006, 01:13 PM

Re: Golfing misconception regarding power

Originally posted by bill reed

hi
you could say the it is the club head or the club shaft, having the extra kick of the shaft adds that all important extra power just at the right second and the new faces on the drivers give that extra power too, but if any of the other things are out the then that dont matter. i take your point about what generates the power but does it matter if you generate a huge anount of power but cant put the face of the club square on the ball, the result is you must do all or it dont matter and they all add you to giving you that power, not just one thing or onr part.
bill

Yes Bill, that's what I was saying

Originally posted by Brian

These parts set you up so that power can be generated effectively. It would be no good generating maximum head speed if it was not directed at the ball or with a square clubface at impact. All the best airshots do that wrong

Brian

**bill reed** · 09-04-2006, 02:57 PM

Re: Golfing misconception regarding power

hi brian
yes i agree with what you were saying to brian, sorry did not mean it to sound if i did not agree. the power is the clubhead hitting the ball with the hands adding to the speed but the shoulder turn and the hip shift and turn and the weight shift to the left all generate so much towards the power of the clubface speed on the ball.
bill

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