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  • #16
    Re: A view on the Grip

    Originally posted by jambalaya
    BrianW, you directed me to this thread to which I would like to respond. I think your thoughts on the grip are excellent. However, like everything in this game of golf, one man's thoughts don't always translate to understanding for everyone. I know there have been many times where I suddenly understood something about the golf swing that just did not register despite the many ways it was illustrated or told. Some times you have to come to the realization yourself through a series of events or from something related to the issue.

    I am having a little problem with the word natural. Although I know you didn't mean it in the literal sense, it seems to me that gripping the club is very unnatural. However, I am going to try to work through your thoughts and see where it leads me. May basic question is whether a strong effort to improve my grip is worth the trouble? I think I've decided it is.

    By the way did anyone look at the illustrations from that first link? I am not gripping the club with the fingers as illustrated for sure. That is going to feel odd I think.
    When I used the term "natural" I used it with reference to the way the hands naturally hang from the body, the wrists turn in at around 45% and the gripping part of your palm points upwards. I am suggesting that the club should be placed in your hands to respect this natural hanging position, your bio-mechanics are not then being compromised during the golf swing. I fully agree that shots with sidespin can be caused by other reasons but the starting point in the golf swing is to create a sound, repeatable grip that is not forced.

    I hope this helps with your understanding

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    • #17
      Re: A view on the Grip

      I can't wait to go out to the range to try my new grip. I have been practicing at home getting the grip on the club. My dominant thought is whether I will be able to hold onto the club. It definitely does not feel as solid in my hands as my normal grip. Has anyone else gone through that feeling?

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      • #18
        Re: A view on the Grip

        Got this quote from Dave Pelz:

        "When accuracy rather than distance is key, take a neutral to weak grip. The hands will return to this position at impact without adding unwanted power."

        Kind of backs up my thoughts. I think I am taking a strong rather than neutral grip on my chipping. So I not so much have to employ a weak grip but at least get in the neutral position.

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        • #19
          Re: A view on the Grip

          Originally posted by jambalaya
          I can't wait to go out to the range to try my new grip. I have been practicing at home getting the grip on the club. My dominant thought is whether I will be able to hold onto the club. It definitely does not feel as solid in my hands as my normal grip. Has anyone else gone through that feeling?
          Hi Jamb,
          Try using your thumbs and index fingers of both hands to lightly pinch the grip of the club, also keep the left thumb pulled back short, this will increase the flexibility of the wrists and lesson the risk of strain.

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          • #20
            Re: A view on the Grip

            now since we are discussing grip, lets look into it further. It is common knowledge that many instructors want the V's to match up in both hands, then it is common for players to have the right hand V point more to the right then the left hand V, meaning a stronger right hand then left. Now there is another grip type where the right hand is WEAKER then the left. Not saying weak or strong, just saying weaker. Hogan did this, daly does this, anyone willing to take a stab at why? ELs looks like he does it, annika too and there might be a few more if I looked into it but dont ahve access to good pictures of grips. and maybe this grip might be something for others to try because it has to do with natural movements of the body.

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            • #21
              Re: A view on the Grip

              Originally posted by shootin4par
              now since we are discussing grip, lets look into it further. It is common knowledge that many instructors want the V's to match up in both hands, then it is common for players to have the right hand V point more to the right then the left hand V, meaning a stronger right hand then left. Now there is another grip type where the right hand is WEAKER then the left. Not saying weak or strong, just saying weaker. Hogan did this, daly does this, anyone willing to take a stab at why? ELs looks like he does it, annika too and there might be a few more if I looked into it but dont ahve access to good pictures of grips. and maybe this grip might be something for others to try because it has to do with natural movements of the body.
              Hi Shootin,

              That's interesting! Using my method my left V points at my chin and the right points at my right ear, can't think why they weaken their right hand.

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              • #22
                Re: A view on the Grip

                look at it this way. Stand next to a wall, would be best if you put a pad up.
                Now take your right hand and swing it back, like a golf swing, and hit the wall. without thinking about it. I bet your right hand smacks flush
                now do the same with the left hand and I bet it will not smack flush but rather turned to the right a little. So if your right hand wants to smack flush and your left hand does not, then when they are on a golf club wouldnt it make sense to put them in a way that they are allowed to do what they naturally want to do? Look at daly who does not have hardly any swing thoughts, he plays by feel, look at hogan who has the best swing of all time, look at els who has one of the smoothest swings of all time, look at annika, and I may one day look through pictures of grips to see who else. In doing this you can have the right hand control the club, the left hand control the club, or both hands, a method I would prefer. Hogan said he wished he had three right hands, but conventional golf instruction says do not add too much right hand or keep it out of the swing. Now why would hogan one of the greatest minds in golf, and conventional teaching differ? I say hogan knew quite a bit about the swing and that is why he was able to produce something others are not able to produce. Working with this on the range I can use as much right hand as I want, and have tried to the extreme just for experimentation purposes, and not worry about overpowering the left because both of them naturally want to go back to a square club face because I set up that way.

                is this the way other people should grip the club? That is up for them to decide but we have a lot of time to experiment, so give it a go and if it does not work you can always switch back.

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                • #23
                  Re: A view on the Grip

                  Went to the range today to try out all this grip theory. I think it may pay off. I gripped the club just like in the illustrations to which I linked and just for hell of it, decided to strengthen my right hand. So I turned in under a bit and looked at my V's. Low and behold they were parallel to each other both basically pointing to my right shoulder. I tried a few shots that way and it made a big difference for me.

                  In looking at my old grip I realize that my right hand was weak. I put it too much on top of the grip. I was wringing my hands. Turning the left hand towards the back and right hand towards the front. This made me very left hand dominant. With the new grip my hands seem to be working together. My shots were pretty consistent. I didn't feel I was just holding on every shot.

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