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**BrianW** · 12-14-2006, 08:50 AM

Re: Role of right hand and forearm in througth swing

A slice is caused by an open clubface at impact. I would suggest that in most cases it is caused by an out to in swing path that comes over the top creating a pull slice.

Rolling the wrists through impact happens quite naturally during the swing, it is impossible to make a full swing without some wrist roll. However many golfers find it difficult to use an aggressive wrist roll because the timing needs to be very good to square the clubface.

**bampot** · 12-14-2006, 11:24 AM

Re: Role of right hand and forearm in througth swing

I agree, the wrist roll should happen naturally,clockwise and anti clockwise .Trouble is many golfers attempt to manipulate clubhead on back and forward swing instead of a free wheeling motion.I think Tommy Armour hit the nail on the head when he said a great many golfers are right hand punchy. Length comes from correct application of right hand.

**MiniMoe** · 12-14-2006, 02:23 PM

Re: Role of right hand and forearm in througth swing

The wrist role should happen naturally during the swing. If you focus on rolling the wrist, what ends up happening is a flippiing motion.... not good. It is what the club is doing during the swing that dictates what the ball does. Everyone has a different swing. But if you look at the best players in the world it does not matter what happend during the swing. It is what happens at the moment of impact. They are all the same. The club is inline with the left arm with the back of the left hand pointing at the target (or close to it). Everything in a swing is ment to get the club to this point. This as all that matters.

Now, having to roll your wrists to get the club square at impact is dependant so many things that just telling someone to roll their wrists is not a fix all by itself. Every part of your body should be working together to get the club back to square.

Personally, I believe the swing is controlled by the arms and the relationship between your arms, shoulders and torso. Everything else is guided what happens in this area. The club is just an extention of that relationship. If things are in sink, your swing will be easier to manage and fine tune.

**kbp** · 12-18-2006, 07:53 PM

Re: Role of right hand and forearm in througth swing

The main reason most golfers have a slice ingrained is because they come over the top. This is the root of the problem. The fact that the face of the club is typically left open is not the cause of the problem, but rather the logical compensation the golfer makes to be able to play with their outside to inside swing path. If they closed the club face, by rolling the wrists or by any other method, they would pull the ball straight left or worse yet hook it hard left off the course.

Yes, there are a few golfers who will push-slice the ball on occasion, or while they are learning, but not many people consistently play with a push-slice. As the OP points out, this can be fixed rather easily with a club face angle correction. Unfortunately, most slicers are not pushing the ball, but rather coming OTT. This is not so easily fixed, as we hear oh so often around here.

**bampot** · 12-19-2006, 10:59 AM

Re: Role of right hand and forearm in througth swing

The question I posed still remains unanswered. It is generally accepted the arms rotate clockwise during the backswing. This being so it follows arms must rotate anti clockwise on downswing. Or do you think arms and hands remain passive? Much has been said regarding clubhead path on downswing EG out to in etc. I still think arms and hands are largely responsible in squaring club head at impact.

**bill reed** · 12-19-2006, 11:34 AM

Re: Role of right hand and forearm in througth swing

hi
hogan said get a good grip and have upper arms pulled tight together against the upper chest and after that the arms and hands are along for the ride. trevino said people slice because there right handed and there strong arm is made to be week against the left. take the same player that slice's and change him to play with left-handed clubs and he powers the ball with his right arm and no slice. he says most of us play wrong handed and i think he has a point too.
bill

**bampot** · 12-19-2006, 12:33 PM

Re: Role of right hand and forearm in througth swing

Hi, Sorry to contradict you Bill,don't know where you got your alleged quote from . I quote from Hogans The Modern Fundamentals of Golf page 101 .'' as far as applyng power goes, I wish I had 3 right hands. Every great golfer , past and present has allowed wrists to pronate on backswing and supinate on downswing. Henry Cotton and Sam Snead are just two examples and they didn't do too badly.

**bill reed** · 12-19-2006, 01:14 PM

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hi bampot
the quote was from his book about his life and not the fundamentals, i think what he ment was get the fundamentals right and the hands dont have to be munipilated to hit the ball.
in his book the fundamentals he dont talk about anything other that hitting at hard as he can with his hands and his right elbow still bent at impact.
still think the fundamentals is the best book ever printed about the full golf swing and as you say all good golfers have a cupped left wrist (supinate) at impact but he says you get there with a good grip and setup.
i will look up his quote and let you know what page its on and if i have quoted him right.
bill

**bampot** · 12-19-2006, 02:05 PM

Re: Role of right hand and forearm in througth swing

Sorry, Bill you are confused with terms pronate and supinate. Why not read Hogans book once again, in particular pages 100/103. At impact left wrist is not bowed, quite the reverse.

**bill reed** · 12-19-2006, 02:31 PM

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hi bampot
page 102 and in the pic it shows the wrist bowed and Quote the left wrist begins to supinate at impact. the raised wristbone points to the target. and in the pic on page 103 he says by pronating his left wrist just before impct, a golfer expnds his clubhead speed before he strikes the ball, restricts the arc of his swing, opens himself to making numerous other errors. the big pic on page 102 shows his wrist bowed.
bill

**bill reed** · 12-19-2006, 02:37 PM

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hi bampot
hogan also adds on page 104 that if you first contact the ball right, then almost automatically you'll take turf right, past the ball. and second, since this slight SUPINATION action places the hands a shade ahead of the clubhead at impact, some loft is subtracted from the face of the club.
where i have i got it wrong ???
bill

**kbp** · 12-19-2006, 03:05 PM

Re: Role of right hand and forearm in througth swing

Originally posted by bampot

The question I posed still remains unanswered.

Originally posted by bampot in his first post post

It is agreed the slice is commonist golf fault.I am convinced this is the outcome of many swing gurus advocating no wrist roll. Consequently many golfers are afraid to apply the right hand. The right forearm does climb over the left in a scissor like action ,if you do not apply right hand the usual outcome is a slice or weak push. Comments welcome.

You didn’t ask a question, originally. You made a statement implying that lack of wrist roll was the main reason why most golfers slice, and that by applying wrist roll, we could correct most slicing.
This is not true, IMO, as I detailed in my post. "Wrist rolling" with a slicers out-to-in swing path will result in pulls and pull hooks.

If your new question is, "Should the FOREARMS rotate open on the backswing and then close on the downswing, crossing over after impact", then the answer is, "Yes, of course." A proper backswing to the correct position at the top of the swing will cause the forearms to rotate "open". A proper downswing will cause the forearms to rotate back to square at impact and then continue their rotation to cross over on the follow through. But this really has nothing to do with typical hackers slice, IMO. Yes, they may lack forearm rotation, but this is hardly their main problem, and definitely not the primary solution, for most slicers.

**bill reed** · 12-19-2006, 03:21 PM

Re: Role of right hand and forearm in througth swing

hi
ilang's post the nine shots of golf, brian has a good link there that gives you the cause of a slice.
bill

**bampot** · 12-19-2006, 04:33 PM

Re: Role of right hand and forearm in througth swing

I withdraw, bloody but unbowed. This is what it should be about, I mean, controversial but civilised discussion. Don't you agree?