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    Pelz's research

    Dave Pelz's Fast New Ways to Lower Your Handicap | Instruction | Golf.com

    There's some interesting stuff in this article. In the section on playing par 3s, Pelz writes, "Pros have a big advantage from 190 yards; not only are their swings better, they also use shorter clubs." What's that all about? Does he mean that most amateurs are using graphite shafts?

    In that same section, there's a table on club selection for a 190 yard par 3. Look at the 4i and 5i rows. From pro down to 20 handicap, fewer and fewer choose these clubs...until you get to 30 handicap! Then the number jumps up again. Does this suggest that the 30 handicappers are completely delusional?

    The average driving distances are interesting too, with 173 yards for 20-30 handicap. I suppose this includes, as it must, the various mis-hits that pros and scratch players just don't have. I wonder what the numbers would be if you counted only more or less solid hits--if there were some way to quantify that.
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    hi
    what he means is that tour players use shorter clubs as in a 5,6 and 7 irons where the higher handicap players are using 3 wood and a 2 and 3 iron and its harder to hit and stay on a green using the longer irons. as to the distance. i think he means distance carried and not taking in the roll.
    if its carry only then it sounds about right.
    with the clubs going up on the 30 handicappers i think they know they cant reach so lay up with the 4 and 5 irons.
    bill
    Last edited by bill reed; 09-03-2007, 07:36 PM.

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      Originally posted by bill reed View Post
      hi
      what he means is that tour players use shorter clubs as in a 5,6 and 7 irons where the higher handicap players are using 3 wood and a 2 and 3 iron and its harder to hit and stay on a green using the longer irons.
      (slaps hand on forehead) Yep, that makes sense.

      as to the distance. i think he means distance carried and not taking in the roll.
      if its carry only then it sounds about right.
      Hmmm...not so sure about that one. I think 173 carry is still on the short side for high handicappers, if you throw out the shanks and skulls. I mean, I've seen a lot of high handicappers who are young athletic guys, new to the game, who hit the ball a mile, all over the place. As opposed to seasoned old farts like myself who hit the ball a respectable distance all over the place.

      with the clubs going up on the 30 handicappers i think they know they cant reach so lay up with the 4 and 5 irons.
      bill
      You may be right. Even at 30 hcap, I wouldn't have laid up on a 190 unless there was a water hazard or something guarding it. And even then I think I'd always just go for it.

      In any event, the statistics are interesting, but probably not all that useful. It's not exactly a news flash to learn that if the Tour Pros are hitting 64% of fairways, and I'm hitting 30%, I'd have a better score if I could hit 64% too.

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        hi again
        dave pelz new book is called damage control it came out at the start of the year and i think thats where some of the info comes from. the books about finding the right way round a golf course and helps you work out the best plan for your handicap.
        with the distances i think its a average and if you remember it was taken at a pelz school competition so you may find the high handicap players were playing after the had done there 3 or 5 day course and may have been playing that bit better and striking the ball that bit better too, i know if i had been on a golf teaching course for 5 days and entered there competition i would hope i'd play better at the end of the course than the start and that i would be hitting the ball better too and i hope longer. that would go for all the handicap players.
        just a thought???
        bill

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          nice link todd
          what the f*ck am i whinging about?
          according to the stats in that article i drive the ball as far as a scratch player

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            hi Todd
            i remember when i started golfing and played off 24, we had a short hole, 179 yards, called the sea hole on a links course and when the tide came the wind came in too and i could not reach it with my driver. took a good year or so before i could hit that far and i could reach with an iron, now i get there with a 4 iron or a 5 iron if the tides coming in funny. i never really though of how short i use to drive till you said about 30 handicappers.
            bill

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            • #7
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              Hmmm...

              OK, reaches for the unit converter....

              190 yards - 173 metres (approx)

              Right, on a 173m par 3 (assuming level ground and no breeze) I would reach for 6I, maybe 5I.

              And 173 yards (where's that converter again...) is 158m approx and that's an 8I, maybe 7I for me.

              As I always say, this tall mid teen capper (195cm - you guys go ahead and convert if you like) has NO SHORT game to speak of...

              Cheers

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                Interesting stuff.

                I wonder how many high cappers take the longer iron because they can get there? Most high cappers I know don't understand 'lay up' unless we're talking basketball. Otherwise, perhaps they see a buddy who hits the ball well take a 5, and decide it's the club for them, too. Or perhaps they flushed one, once, and feel they should guard against it, so just in case they flush one again to go 190, they grab 5 again.

                Nothing new here from Pelz, just some pretty pictures and some re-presented data. I think the difference is that Pelz perhaps does NOT throw out skulls and shanks in the high cappers, making for the poorer distances. When I first started, decent driver contact still got me 230 or 240 - perhaps 10-20 yards roll, but still over 200 carry.

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                  hi
                  as to the distance i played with a 18 handicapper today and do most weeks and he can hit the ball 230 yards right down the middle maybe twice in a round, that he always scuffles one about 50 yards low off the tee and hits maybe two or three bad drives the rest are about 200 yards in the left or right side of the fairway. i think if you asked him he would tell you he hits 230 yards with a driver but his average would be more like 190 yards or maybe 200. i do agree with pelz in that i do come up short a lot more than i come up long on the approach to the greens and i tried taking one more club than i thought I'd need this morning. my friend and i play at 6am when the course is quiet and he works night shift tonight so that why so early. i found out i only over hit on one green and i played to my handicap off 14 and that took in a 6 i had at the 9th.
                  i think i will keep over clubbing as it seems to work.
                  bill

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