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    I have, or used to own before breaking the shaft, an Aldila NV 65S on a 905R 9.5 deg. I still have the head fortunately, but have always felt that the shaft was not correct for me, or at least no longer works for me. My swing speed is anywhere from 94mph to just over 100mph, though I could swing faster but that would be out of my comfort zone. This weekend my shots were just fading or slicing big time out of bounds or over to the right fairway, normally the flight is high in this situation which seems to suggest the head is open thus increasing launch angle. I am also doing this with my 3-wood but obviously not as pronounced due to the loft. With the driver, I'm looking for a more softer feel from the shaft and obviously to keep the ball straight. The Aldila has 3.5 deg of torque, would a higher torque shaft help in squaring or slightly closing the clubhead with the same swing effort? If so, how much torque are we talking about? I've got my eye on a Fujikura E360 which has 3.8 degs. Is this small amount of increased torque be enough to make a difference? All being equal, does each degree of increase of torque equal a degree of how much the head closes to square?

    I know lessons will ultimataly be the answer, but I want to minimise the damage caused by my bad shots by selecting a more suited shaft. I did try my pro's PIng G10 with Aldila VS proto 65-R, it felt much better than my current shaft, much easier on the hands/arms but the torque is around 3.2 deg, so I can't explain why I can get the same, or possibly better results, than my NV shaft?

    Ta

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    Re: Will a softer, less torquey tip help my slice?

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    Last edited by golfinguy28; 02-11-2009, 08:08 PM.

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      Re: Will a softer, less torquey tip help my slice?

      The small degree of .3 in torque will not be noticable, and should not change your pattern.

      You did not say if the NVS was a regular flex as the VS Proto which you say feels easier on in the swing.

      Here's a forum discussion on a golf equipment review website, which may give you more info.

      http://forums.golfreview.com/showthread.php?p=38956

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        Re: Will a softer, less torquey tip help my slice?

        LOL - thanks for the plug golfin guy.

        As rotator says, the small amount of torque won't amount to a hill of beans between your NV S and your Proto R.

        What you want is a smaller number in the butt (softer butt) for better feel. Tip stiffness will effect ball flight and more torque (ie higher torque number) will help a softer feel as well. However, it may possibly exacerbate the issue depending on your swing - while a higher torque number may feel better, depending on your swing it may make your slice worse as you could possibly overpower the shaft and have the face lag open (ie not close fast enough due to the soft torque rating).

        The Proto feels better as it's softer in the butt than the NV S. An NV in R may work for feel, too.

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          Re: Will a softer, less torquey tip help my slice?

          Could it possible mean that I actually need more torque in my tip than 3.5 to help square it up?! I've seen on some retailer sites and on the UST shafts the numbers for butt and mid section - what are these numbers measured in?

          Rotator, I didn't mention NVS, did you mean my NV, which was stiff?

          Because the head is a thru-bore, am I expected to see a bit more stiffness in the tip as well?

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            Re: Will a softer, less torquey tip help my slice?

            Originally posted by koonl View Post
            Could it possible mean that I actually need more torque in my tip than 3.5 to help square it up?! I've seen on some retailer sites and on the UST shafts the numbers for butt and mid section - what are these numbers measured in?

            Rotator, I didn't mention NVS, did you mean my NV, which was stiff?

            Because the head is a thru-bore, am I expected to see a bit more stiffness in the tip as well?
            A lower torque value may help you square up, yes, as well as a stiffer tip (less deflection=less required recovery time)

            The first measurement looks like a butt stiffness, but I have no idea about the mid or tip. What makes it useful is that you could compare shaft to shaft, but you have to make an assumption about the numbers (and I'd assume higher is stiffer).

            Because the head is through bore, it will effectively stiffen the tip (as the tip section has less to deflect).

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              Re: Will a softer, less torquey tip help my slice?

              Originally posted by koonl View Post
              Could it possible mean that I actually need more torque in my tip than 3.5 to help square it up?! I've seen on some retailer sites and on the UST shafts the numbers for butt and mid section - what are these numbers measured in?

              Rotator, I didn't mention NVS, did you mean my NV, which was stiff?

              Because the head is a thru-bore, am I expected to see a bit more stiffness in the tip as well?
              I read your original post, where you said the shaft was NVS. I believe there are both NVS and NV shafts available from Aldila, each with different flexes. That's why I asked about the flex, because I understood you had a NVS. I did not know you actually meant NV S(for stiff flex). The reason I asked was because you mentioned the Proto felt better to swing, and that was in regular flex.

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                Re: Will a softer, less torquey tip help my slice?

                Originally posted by rotator View Post
                I read your original post, where you said the shaft was NVS. I believe there are both NVS and NV shafts available from Aldila, each with different flexes. That's why I asked about the flex, because I understood you had a NVS. I did not know you actually meant NV S(for stiff flex). The reason I asked was because you mentioned the Proto felt better to swing, and that was in regular flex.
                Not only that, but the NV and the NVS are two totally different animals, and the Proto and the NV are actually quite similar in bend profile.

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