Push Release?

[golfndawg]

Re: Push Release?

hi goldndawg
here is a few pictures of Richard Wax and he used the Mindy Black system that if very like Lee Trevino's open system, if you look you will see his right leg and how it stops his hips from sliding back but you can see the power he gets into his swing and how his elbow drops ahead of his right hip and that right hip helps drive the hands through the ball, with the Mindy Black system its all about reflex, everything that happens in the downswing is reflex.
and it a great system for the older golfers, i think Richard Wax is 65 years old now and still playing of a very low handicap.

Just got back and I can tell ya that this carried on from yesterday. Those pics look alot like what I have been doing, except I'm not as bent over at address and I might be more like 35* open, but the thing that really sticks out by swinging like this is if one has had a square or closed stance and was a bit of a flipper at the bottom,YOU CAN'T GET AWAY THAT MOVE WITH THIS STANCE, IT WILL SHOW UP REAL QUICK!!!! LOL.

The other key as you mentioned above, no lateral movement on the BS, I believe if you do move on the BS it will make you swing down your footline and be pretty tough to swing away from you're body and that is not what we're after. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Thanks

[pnearn]

Re: Push Release?

hi Pnern
yes your right i loss about 10 yards but i hit the fairway 95% of the time and it the same on the greens from say a 5 iron up to a wedge.
years ago i use to draw the ball but i was lots longer maybe as much at 20 yards at times but i was all over the place with my drives.
now i seem to have much more control of what the ball does and i would swap that for 10 more yards. i feel I'm playing well within myself and that gives you a confidence that you can make most of the shots your are trying for.
with a drive i get about 255-265 that run as well, so there are not many holes i cant reach in two and most par 5 i have a wedge or a 9 iron so i don't feel i loss out.
i try and hold off any turn of the wrists and the back of my left hand drives through to the target and i do not have any backward move of my hips but there is a big forward movement.
on my backswing i feel my left shoulder under my chin and then i feel my right elbow drop in front of my right hip and my hip helps drive my elbow forward and i feel i hit through with the back of my left hand.
cheers
bill

Thanks Bill. Yes there is more than one way to skim the cat and sounds like what it did for you is also helping golfndawg.

I like the idea for short pitches (i think i might go back to using that for short pitch type shots since i think its more accurate distance wise) although i'm happy with my sweep release for all the other clubs

Some good stuff on release types here http://www.iseekgolf.com/golfinstruc...-release-types

[bill reed]

Re: Push Release?

hi pnearn
if you look at picture 4 of the one of Richard Wax and look at picture 3 of the one in the link you posted and look at the arms and hands you will see there very much the same but if you look at the difference in there stance you see that the open stance and the right leg is giving Richard so much of his power and you can see that in the other pictures the power does come from his legs. in the picture in the link you gave Paul Hart is swing more with the upper than using the hips and legs to get power.
the top half in picture 4 and your picture 3 are very close but it from the waist down thats so diffrent.
what do you think? interested to hear you views.
cheers
bill

[golfndawg]

Re: Push Release?

I couldn't stand it I had to go hit some balls awhile ago, and I think I may have over done it, now I have stretched or pulled a muscle or whatever on the inside of my right leg (maybe groin), I was really get some serious leg action going, supposed to play tonite now I don't know what to do.

[bill reed]

Re: Push Release?

hi golfndawg
if you feel pain then don't, rest or you could make it worse and be away form the course a lot longer. put some ice on it and see if it helps, that what other pro sportsmen do.
cheers
bill

[golfndawg]

Re: Push Release?

hi golfndawg
if you feel pain then don't, rest or you could make it worse and be away form the course a lot longer. put some ice on it and see if it helps, that what other pro sportsmen do.
cheers
bill

Thanks, I think I know how this happened, at impact my hips were just a few degrees from being completely open at impact due to the open stance and with ALOT of leg drive and I don't guess I have ever been that open and used my legs like that. O well I guess it's time to start stretching ( I have never been a big stretcher). LOL

[bill reed]

Re: Push Release?

hi golfndawg
it shows you must be using your leg muscles more.
cheers
bill

[pnearn]

Re: Push Release?

hi goldndawg
here is a few pictures of Richard Wax and he used the Mindy Black system that if very like Lee Trevino's open system, if you look you will see his right leg and how it stops his hips from sliding back but you can see the power he gets into his swing and how his elbow drops ahead of his right hip and that right hip helps drive the hands through the ball, with the Mindy Black system its all about reflex, everything that happens in the downswing is reflex.
and it a great system for the older golfers, i think Richard Wax is 65 years old now and still playing of a very low handicap.

Bill, do you set up that open? I would push slice it off the planet if I did that!

You can see how he hinges his wrist, has a very closed face and then used his legs to drive that hinged wrist down and through

More than one way to get it done !

[bill reed]

Re: Push Release?

hi pnearn
yes I'm about 35% open with my driver and get more open still i get to my wedges and I'm about 45% open.
if i was to play say a 5 iron full then i would be about 40% open and i would set the face of the club to aim about 15 feet to the left of the target.
if i was say a full 7 iron from the green and it was really windy i would take a 5 iron and go down the shaft an inch but set up about 45% open and the face of the club about 20 to 25 feet to the left of the target and i would swing about 80%, that would give me a lot of fade but would fade more than normal and with the extra fade it would hold on the green, it would take only two bounces and stop if i set up as i would normally for a 5 iron it would not hold the green.
by adjusting the angle of my feet and the face of the club i can hit diffrent shots, it the same swing all the time it just how open or how closed the face is that make the diffrent shots.
it so diffrent to how other guys play and its fun being diffrent.
cheers
bill

[pnearn]

Re: Push Release?

it so diffrent to how other guys play and its fun being diffrent.
cheers
bill

Good for you Bill .. who's to say in 5 years your way, or Furyks way or whoever else wont be the 'new' holy grail of teaching

Its an interesting concept of hitting a fade .. i might try it since there is one par 3 on my course, with water down the left and big bunkers on the right that cries out for a high fade and its not a shot I can readily call on

[Neil18]

Re: Push Release?

I believe thats exactly whats happening......But I guess I'm a little confused why it is so much easier with an open stance than a closed or even square stance, I have never tinkered with an open stance until now but I think that might be it for my swing.

What's the one thing that having an open stance does for you without even thinking about it?

Did you hit some powerful straight ones right down your foot line before being able to fade it? Only now your hitting 20 yards straight left of your target as that's where your feet are aiming?

[BrianW]

Re: Push Release?

Hi Bill,

Here is a couple of good videos from the great guy himself.

[bill reed]

Re: Push Release?

hi Brian
thank for the clips of Lee.
the think what comes out of them is if you want to hit a fade you must slid the hips and use the knees, but if you hit a draw then its more a hip turn and less work from the legs.
cheers
bill

[Neil18]

Re: Push Release?

hi Brian
thank for the clips of Lee.
the think what comes out of them is if you want to hit a fade you must slid the hips and use the knees, but if you hit a draw then its more a hip turn and less work from the legs.
cheers
bill

Hi Bill,

I love that you have your own individual style. These questions are purely out of curiosity, but using the Trevino style, when you want to hit a draw as you've described above, where you aim and what do you aim with? I.e. I would aim my hips feet and shoulders right of target and keep the face on target.

Thanks

Neil

[BrianW]

Re: Push Release?

hi Brian
thank for the clips of Lee.
the think what comes out of them is if you want to hit a fade you must slid the hips and use the knees, but if you hit a draw then its more a hip turn and less work from the legs.
cheers
bill

I like his style, he has such an easy way about him.