can the secret help me to stop casting

[rotator]

Re: can the secret help me to stop casting

Hi trob,

We find out more each time.

Regarding getting the hips turning, I have some thoughts.

The first thing is to realize that in order to open the hips, you should have to the weight shifted to the front leg, so the weight of the body could pivot as such around that planted base.

This reverts back to what I was saying earlier about the reverse pivot. If the weight is not shifted to the back leg, it will be difficult to start the downswing with the lower body. If the weight is properly shifted back, it's loaded, so the start of the downswing could be the lateral movement of the lower body to shift the weight onto the front leg. The hips can then open up because the front leg provides a brace/pivot.

Here's a kind of exercise you can do without a club to get the sequence and timing. Do this in slo-mo dynamic position to position to start, then you can stop, reverse, restart certain sequences, until you put it into flowing motion. Keep everything soft and relaxed.

Put the backs of your hands together and simulate your backswing, making sure you turn and shift the weight to the back. The reason for the back on back hands is my idea to keep the arms connected and also to stay in synch with the body. Now start your simulated downswing by first shifting your hips and flexed knees laterally forward until your weight is moving to your front leg. At this point when the weight is now transferring on the front leg brace/pivot, and the hips will have the freedom to start rotating open. This is a very important position, which is the "sit down" position you see if you look at the sequences of Sam Snead, and other good golfers. It's kind of a gathering point. Meanwhile the arms and the wrist lag are still behind you (at the delivery position). From here, your hips are freely opening and you can continue the swing of the arms, making sure the hands lead the club head into impact. As the weight is moving off the back foot, that foot easily pivots inwards and raises up to the toes, and you finish with your knees kissing.

I think the important phase for you to instill is getting to the gathering point, which will allow your hips to open naturally, while the club head is still lagging behind ready to be unleash. You've been missing this sequence. In some respects, I also think you have a holdover in your old weight shifting issue.

Let me know how the exercise feels.

Ted

[BrianW]

Re: can the secret help me to stop casting

what they do is they measure average players on tour for instance my shoulder turn is between 79 and 82 degrees so that would be green.....yellow means there might be something to look at and red is like HEY LOOK you are not doing this correctly...they measure shoulder tilt waist bend etc.....i noticed that i bring the club down to the 90 degree angle and then booya...i release too earlyit seems its from not turning my hips and clearing to the left fully at impact....that is from throwing my arms at the ball from looking at how pros swing and my swing its like my hips havent turned to the target enough well not until the follow through.....havent figured out how to get the hips facing the target before i hit the ball

In my opinion the hips do not need to be cleared as they do not get in the way, when did any of us swing our hands into our hips?

The hips have to lead the weight transfer to the front leg in the downswing by making a small lateral shift, this shift will automatically create a small amount of hip rotation. We then have to pivot around our lead leg to create suitable rotation of the torso, this naturally promotes more hip rotation without forcing it.

IMO forcing excessive hip rotation creates loss of balance and posture, breaks down connectivity promoting bad shots and is damaging on the back. Let it happen naturally through a good connected swing, proper weight shift and pivot.

[rotator]

Re: can the secret help me to stop casting

I agree that the hips should not be lunged around, Brian. As you know, I'm a swinger, and am basically torso and arms swinger. I believe the hips and legs actions are mainly supportive of the actions of the swinging of the club. I have never had any back problems, likely because I have never been a lunger with the hips.

It's just that trob seems to have a sequencing problem which is causing him to cast his arms and flip before he shifts his weight with the slight lateral shift. Then I believe his hips are not allowed to naturally rotate.

He can get into the sequencing and flow if he gets the feel of it with this exercise. Notice I stressed being relaxed and letting it flow. We so not need any violent lunging and twisting. Let it flow to a natural upright body finish the body turned to the target.

Ted

[BrianW]

Re: can the secret help me to stop casting

I agree that the hips should not be lunged around, Brian. As you know, I'm a swinger, and am basically torso and arms swinger. I believe the hips and legs actions are mainly supportive of the actions of the swinging of the club. I have never had any back problems, likely because I have never been a lunger with the hips.

It's just that trob seems to have a sequencing problem which is causing him to cast his arms and flip before he shifts his weight with the slight lateral shift. Then I believe his hips are not allowed to naturally rotate.

He can get into the sequencing and flow if he gets the feel of it with this exercise. Notice I stressed being relaxed and letting it flow. We so not need any violent lunging and twisting. Let it flow to a natural upright body finish the body turned to the target.

Ted

Good points Ted.

[rotator]

Re: can the secret help me to stop casting

Hi trob,

This may clear up a misconception you may have regarding the hips.

I thought Fred Couples' swing would show it, because his hip action is always shown in pictures, as seemingly fully open to the target at impact.

Here's the video.

Note the lateral weight shift, which frees up the rotation of the hips. You can pause the swing at impact ()with a bit of fiddling) and you will see that the hips are not turned completely to the target. That happens at the finish of the followthrough.

The hips are rotating to support (almost in anticipation) the rotary swinging of the body, shoulders and arms which are really accelerating closely behind. In the rear view, you can see there is not much of a differential in the openness of the body and shoulders compared to the hips, and at the top of the followthrow the shoulders have passed the hip angle.

Ted

[trob2034]

Re: can the secret help me to stop casting

Hi trob,

We find out more each time.

Regarding getting the hips turning, I have some thoughts.

The first thing is to realize that in order to open the hips, you should have to the weight shifted to the front leg, so the weight of the body could pivot as such around that planted base.

This reverts back to what I was saying earlier about the reverse pivot. If the weight is not shifted to the back leg, it will be difficult to start the downswing with the lower body. If the weight is properly shifted back, it's loaded, so the start of the downswing could be the lateral movement of the lower body to shift the weight onto the front leg. The hips can then open up because the front leg provides a brace/pivot.

Here's a kind of exercise you can do without a club to get the sequence and timing. Do this in slo-mo dynamic position to position to start, then you can stop, reverse, restart certain sequences, until you put it into flowing motion. Keep everything soft and relaxed.

Put the backs of your hands together and simulate your backswing, making sure you turn and shift the weight to the back. The reason for the back on back hands is my idea to keep the arms connected and also to stay in synch with the body. Now start your simulated downswing by first shifting your hips and flexed knees laterally forward until your weight is moving to your front leg. At this point when the weight is now transferring on the front leg brace/pivot, and the hips will have the freedom to start rotating open. This is a very important position, which is the "sit down" position you see if you look at the sequences of Sam Snead, and other good golfers. It's kind of a gathering point. Meanwhile the arms and the wrist lag are still behind you (at the delivery position). From here, your hips are freely opening and you can continue the swing of the arms, making sure the hands lead the club head into impact. As the weight is moving off the back foot, that foot easily pivots inwards and raises up to the toes, and you finish with your knees kissing.

I think the important phase for you to instill is getting to the gathering point, which will allow your hips to open naturally, while the club head is still lagging behind ready to be unleash. You've been missing this sequence. In some respects, I also think you have a holdover in your old weight shifting issue.

Let me know how the exercise feels.

Ted

This exercise felt weird at first but i really really understand the concept of what is being accomplished. Played at the park hitting balls and softened my hands in the swing and it was effortless with a penetrating ball flight and i didnt feel the flip....i focused on the arms staying behind/lagging and it was an awesome feeling put it on the course and shot 43 and body must have gotten fatigued on the back cuz it felt like i was no longer getting proper turn shot 48........pulled a couple of shots but overall i am sold on the concept of letting arms lagging behind....even my wedges were checking up. Had good spin on ball with approach shots......just need a lil more practice with it

WHY did it feel like i was no longer turning was it because of fatigue or poor weight shift

[kbp]

Re: can the secret help me to stop casting

Good deal. It's a new move....you're using muscles in different ways. It may be tiring.

Troub - Proper sequencing is so important and generally lacking in most golfers. Often ignored because the concept is too "complicated", proper sequencing really is a fundamental you must understand. The "simple" instruction of "clearing the hips" is often misinterpreted as some sort of literal removal of the hips or some violent, explosive, torque drive into a Stretch Armstrong impact position. It is actually intended to convey the concepts of proper lower body action, keeping it from thrusting straight forward toward the ball and keeping it moving ahead of the upper body through impact. Many people have the lower body wrong and their arm literally WOULD run into their hip IF they were on the correct path. Of course they AREN"T on the correct path as they improperly reroute the club in an OTT or out to in path long before they get there. Also very common for the lower body to stop early and "block" the upper body from properly rotating through the ball. Then you get wrist flipping or arms racing past the chest to get to the ball.

Good luck.

[arny660]

Re: can the secret help me to stop casting

I take it this thread is no longer about The Secret and casting?!

[rotator]

Re: can the secret help me to stop casting

Hi trob,

I just posted a drill at a current thread about the hands getting ahead of the body. It may be of interest to you as well. It will ingrain the feeling for the sequencing quite naturally, and the effect is what has already been covered here previously (i.e Fred Couples' action).

Ted

[trob2034]

Re: can the secret help me to stop casting

Hi trob,

I just posted a drill at a current thread about the hands getting ahead of the body. It may be of interest to you as well. It will ingrain the feeling for the sequencing quite naturally, and the effect is what has already been covered here previously (i.e Fred Couples' action).

Ted

so i finally got the feeling of holding the angle and boy does it feel good....i cant wait to play on the course.....it feels like hold it off and just turn....then i started releasing the angle at the end and it just flew off the face......thx for all that have helped

[terrypine]

Re: can the secret help me to stop casting

Trob,
Went to Rick Smith golf school and he had simple, great drill to avoid casting. Simply take long stick or turn driver around (hold onto head) and swing. When you swing you will hear a "wush" as the head (actually now the grip) reaches maximum speed. If you are casting you hear this before the club gets to the ball. You simply swing and try to hear the "wush" just AHEAD of the ball position. My impression is that you will not hear the "wush" AHEAD of the ball position if you are casting. Might give it a try, easy to do with immediate feedback.
take care
Terry