video of my golf swing

[kbp]

Re: video of my golf swing

I wasn’t trying to step on your toes, my friend, quite the contrary. In reading your posts in this thread, which are excellent by the way, you were saying about spine angle and keeping the hips from thrusting at the ball. Then you went on about crunching the right side. This is basically my point here also. The right side "crunch" is what allows the spine angle to remain stable whilst turning. Turning with out "crunching" is a thrust to the ball. Also, it advances the hips without a lot of body slide...head stays back, while the hips advance, which I believe supports your idea of what "clearing" the hips means.

We also seem to be in agreement about minimizing manipulation in the wrists.

Curious now....where do you think we differ significantly?

[Mike420]

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Interesting read kpb thanks. Am I right in saying that the power is generated by a lateral shift of the hips transfering weight to the left foot while the hips and body are still coiling. This would be in contrast to using the hip rotation to transfer weight in the downswing?

I think this is fairly similar to Shawn Clement's teaching:

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Although it isn't a lateral shift while the coiling is taking place.

Thanks for clarifying Neill. I might have an experiment with it, but tbh i'm not trying to win long drive competitions. I'm happy with the distance I get with drives already and I wouldn't want to sacrifice accuracy for distance by poorly attempting to replicate Tiger Woods ect.

Don't know why the video is posted twice, there isn't two links...

[kbp]

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Can't get the video to play for me.

My point is that the transition is a positional move to set you up to downswing. Consider the transition to be the end of the backswing, more than the beginning of the downswing. If you put yourself in the right position and use the right muscles, you can go after the ball without fear or compensations.

Also consider that the videos are trying illustrate a concept, not implying they have to be mimiced exactly. The video of Ernie Els displaying the same concepts, albeit in a more subtle way. IMO, better players DO alot of these things, but since it is so engrained over many years or by so much practice, they may not realize it or be able to describe it. Especially if they learned as a child, or are naturals, or are not overly analytical by nature.

[Mike420]

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I think lifting your left heel up slighty in the backswing and planting it before your fully coiled would help with this.

[BrianW]

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The video from Shawn explains the transition so well and simply. Toss, fall, fall. Perfect.

[Neil18]

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I wasn’t trying to step on your toes, my friend, quite the contrary. In reading your posts in this thread, which are excellent by the way, you were saying about spine angle and keeping the hips from thrusting at the ball. Then you went on about crunching the right side. This is basically my point here also. The right side "crunch" is what allows the spine angle to remain stable whilst turning. Turning with out "crunching" is a thrust to the ball. Also, it advances the hips without a lot of body slide...head stays back, while the hips advance, which I believe supports your idea of what "clearing" the hips means.

We also seem to be in agreement about minimizing manipulation in the wrists.

Curious now....where do you think we differ significantly?

Hi kbp.

I didn't think you were stepping on my toes at all. I just wanted to point out that we had two slightly different methods going on, so the OP didn't get confused. To clarify what I mean for both the OP and your good self:

I refer again to my avatar. The most natural of swingers (arguably). In this action there is minimal (if any) right side crunch. I don't believe it's necessary or good to do, for the type of flowing and effortless action I like.

The spine angle can remain stable without a crunch. With regard to the spine angle from down the line, I believe keeping this constant is mostly to do with resisting the urge to thrust the hips at the ball. I like to think of turning the hips to the target. It leaves plenty of room between shoulders and hips in which to swing the arms and get that late hit.

Referring to the spine angle from face-on, I believe that unwinding the left hip back and begining to shift the weight left is what gives the inclining spine angle slightly away from the target.

To me, the right side crunch (and I'm not saying it's not acceptable here! The best in the world uses it!) means there has either been an unnecessary excessive lowering of the right shoulder girdle in the early part of the downswing (Tiger definately does it more with the longer clubs - to me a sign he has trouble staying behind the ball at the moment. But then again, his swing looks ALL wrong to me at the moment!), or the right hip has come up when attempting to "push off" or a combination of both. For me, raising the right hip (a very common and integrated part of thrusting hips toward the ball) can and does cause an outside-in swing path.

Turning without crunching isn't a thrust into the ball as long as the hips move left rather than forwards. One thing that fascinated me was how, at impact, everything about Sneads body lines were pointing down towards the ball. Shoulders, arms, club, hips and knees. His right hip goes down rather than up or even horizontal. The right side crunch, for me, is an unnecessary move and a killer of the back!

So I just wanted to point out that your method of maintaining the spine angle from face-on and turning the hips clear was different from mine. Both used by good players. My toes do not feel stepped on at all sir!

[BrianW]

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Without disagreeing with anything that has been said previously I just want to mention that the mechanics of a good swing differ greatly depending on the type of swing used. A rotary or one plane type swing requires you to stay stacked and use very little weight transfer, especially during the back swing. A little weight shift is necessary at the transition where the lead knee is moved over the lead foot. Club speed is then created through the rotation of the torso and shoulders with the hips needing to rotate without sliding to support and maintain the rotary force.

Many swings are hybrid and cannot be pigeon holed with a set of regulatory mechanics.

[kbp]

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Brain, yes, agreed, for certain, but there are obviously many commonalities. Certainly a shortening of the right side, by some mechanism and to one degree or another, is a given.

Neil, I guess I misinterpreted this statement to the OP?

.....You can straighten your posture but keep your head position relatively stable by crunching your right side i.e. the gap between right hip and right shoulder gets smaller.

Good stuff, gentlemen!

[Neil18]

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Brain, yes, agreed, for certain, but there are obviously many commonalities. Certainly a shortening of the right side, by some mechanism and to one degree or another, is a given.

Neil, I guess I misinterpreted this statement to the OP?



Good stuff, gentlemen!

LOL kbp! I guess I should have put the "can" in itallics, underlined, bold as in, "you can, but I don't" etc etc

Dont go worrying yourself with it kbp!

[BrianW]

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I feel a little guilty of hijacking the OP's thread but as the discussion is very interesting I hope he excuses us.

I found this thread with an article that has some good detail and explanations of differing swing types and how they can relate to physical body types:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=i...age&q=&f=false