Tour Striker Pro vs Taly Mind Set

[rogue]

Re: Tour Striker Pro vs Taly Mind Set

hi Brain and Rogue
I use Ping Zings 2 a big headed cavaty back club with toe-heel weighting and off-set and i find it easy to shape shots as did Lee Westwood only two years ago when he used this 1994 clubs, i have used Ping K1s and Ping Eye and now Ping Zings 2 clubs and never had any troble shaping shots. (draws and fades, hitting high and low.)
i have never used a blade but i heard they spin the ball more if hit neat the toe or the heel. with the zings i lose about 5 yards if i hit half an inch of the toe but it don't seem to spin any more than a well hit shot near the sweet spot.
i don't have a blade club to test this out but i do belive that the cavaty back does help off sweet spot hits but no harder to shape a shot that any other club. i can only comapair the Pings i have used in the last 40 years and before that i could not hit a drive more than 150 years with my Johny letters clubs. so did not have the ability to shape the ball back then.
cheers
Bill

Makes sense

[BrianW]

Re: Tour Striker Pro vs Taly Mind Set

How exactly? Surely game improvement clubs are better at minimising torsion through off centre hits - but this doesnt count as helping a good player, who is hitting the centre, shape the ball better.

If you hit the ball on the sweet spot with a game improver or a blade they should curve the same amount. If you hit 'off centre' then the blade will curve more. But a good player doesnt shape the ball by hitting the toe or heel.

Or is this not true? Do you have any information on this for me - it just deosnt add up in my head

OK, 'Acute' was not a good word, 'Accurate' would have been better.

With a blade the sweetspot is lower on the clubface, this allows us to play golf from a true lower point. This allows us to work the club more from the inside, or outside and from a flatter shallower entry into impact.

If the sweetspot is high on the face, we are forced to come into impact steeper, and take deeper divots and this does not encourage the golf club to work correctly around our body as efficiently as possible.

A blade gives real feedback through the hands and by its sound of where the ball is being struck on the clubface, when practicing with blades you will be able to improve the feel of impact rather than using clubs that will give little feedback if the ball is contacted off sweetspot. This quality of impact is what allows us to extend our skills.

[bill reed]

Re: Tour Striker Pro vs Taly Mind Set

hi brian
i have been watching most of the men ping pros over the last couple of years and on tight courses the "ALL" change there 3/4 irons from the S56 blade type to the G10 and now the I15 cavaty back Ping irons. i know when Angle Cabrera did that when he won the US open and all the ping playes did it in our Open.
i do not think that the ping pros would use a club that was harder to shape when the S56 is there for them but the chouse the G 10 last year and the I 15 this year. you say about the lower sweet spot but i would think that with a 2,3 and 4 iron its important the sweet spot is at the hight of the middle ball in a standard lie on the fairway. as you dont take a deep diviot with your long irons and its more a sweeping shot. like i say i have no experance with blades but years with Ping cavaty irons and shaping the ball.
i also think you could get all handicp players over 10 handicap and very few would be able to tell without seeing it it was a blade or a cavaty back . the might see it in the ball flight and miss hits.
i think mosts pros could tell.
Cheers
Bill

[rogue]

Re: Tour Striker Pro vs Taly Mind Set

OK, 'Acute' was not a good word, 'Accurate' would have been better.

With a blade the sweetspot is lower on the clubface, this allows us to play golf from a true lower point. This allows us to work the club more from the inside, or outside and from a flatter shallower entry into impact.

If the sweetspot is high on the face, we are forced to come into impact steeper, and take deeper divots and this does not encourage the golf club to work correctly around our body as efficiently as possible.

A blade gives real feedback through the hands and by its sound of where the ball is being struck on the clubface, when practicing with blades you will be able to improve the feel of impact rather than using clubs that will give little feedback if the ball is contacted off sweetspot. This quality of impact is what allows us to extend our skills.

Definitely agree with the last statement. Although i always thought game imporver clubs had their sweetspot lower down the clubface as the centre of gravity is lower to help amateur players (who's main fault is to thin the ball) still get loft. Think Callaway hawkeye irons with their tungsten sole. A blades' weight i distributed slightly higher as the weight is in the muscle back.

I would also say that the majority of golfers are too shallow into the ball although this is open to debate. Stack and tilt also said this although even some of the worlds top coaches couldnt understand it. Sure most players are outside the line, over the top and clubshaft steep. But im talking about the point of impact where 99% of golfers will be hitting up on the ball or at best very shallow. Its the better players who hit steeper on the ball (then tour players learn to shallow it out again as they play with perfect lies.

You can still be in to out and steep on the ball (or swinging around your body yet steep at impact)