What do all Pro's have in common

[msklar92]

Re: What do all Pro's have in common

to low post

divide the swing into two phases
the initiation of the backswing to the end of the back swing - phase 1
the start of the downswing to contact phase 2
the book states (the author I forget his name ) that phase 1 is 3x the length of phase 2 in all good swings. swings speeds may vary but this ratio is a constant. Apparently he has documented this on tour swings and has developed a school around this philosopy. The book is called "Tour tempo" . I have read threads on this web site re: this book sometime back. didn't mean to get off the original intent of the thread, but when you mention rhythm was mentioned, i thought this theory was applicable.

[LowPost42]

Re: What do all Pro's have in common

msklar92, I get it - and agree. I think nkranga was struggling with the ratio.

A four-second swing would sure be slow, though!

[msklar92]

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it is not a four second swing. the swing is less than a second - fast!!!

but the ratio is still 3 to 1. the author was able to capture this by picture sequencing and defining a time to each picture. you can get the book and video with it second hand for cheap. interesting point of view.

[Mr_Change]

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They all make money out of golf!!!

[Mr_Change]

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I know rhythm has been said I will add timing. Rhythm helps them keep the timing of their swing together. (I'm talking about sequence of timing things like when they cock their wrist, when they transfer their weight and when they releash the stored power).

[cct]

Re: What do all Pro's have in common

The most important thing that all tour pro's have in common is address position.
EXAMPLE
*hand position (you never see pro's with their hands a lot further away from their body than the rest)
*body alignment (shoulders, hips,knees and feet all point the same direction)
*posture
*keep their chin up at address

Also their position at the top of their swing is always on plane, regardless of how it gets their.

[xix]

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A blonde wife with big knockers?

[pnearn]

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Rythmn and Timing would also be my no 1 but heres some things I think differentiate the pros from you and me

- Movement. If you watch a pro swing you see how little they move off the ball

- Halfway down. No matter how they swing they are always in the right position halfway down, coming at the ball from the insider

-Lag. All pros manage to create great lag of the clubhead

-The Crack. The noise the club makes when it hits the ball


If only

[Ian Hancock]

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Guys,

Thank you for all your replies............................

There have been many things mentioned with rhythm, timing, course management, short game, putting, -100 yds in two etc etc.........

However none of you really touched on technic or swing mechanics............why??????????

Should we spend so much time working on right elbow, left hand at top, right knee, left foot, head moving, etc etc..

or should we work on the things you all have mentioned?

I know what I'm working on...........thanks again


Ian.

[ubizmo]

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They all make it look easy. Even when they're crushing the ball they make it look like no big deal.

In contrast, you'll be worn out just watching me swing.

You'll need a drink, too.

[LowPost42]

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They all make it look easy. Even when they're crushing the ball they make it look like no big deal.

In contrast, you'll be worn out just watching me swing.

You'll need a drink, too.

QUOTE OF THE DAY!

ubizmo, my kid is looking at me funny right now, because I'm laughing out loud.


@ Ian, point made, point taken. I played in our regular mens' night last night. Below was my swing thought:





Good, eh? I simply picked my target, setup comfortably, checked my grip, and swung, just trusting that things would work out. Like another member was saying (forgive me for not remembering), Sometimes I'd get a little draw, sometimes I'd get a little fade (and I do mean little), but the ball was on target almost all the time. The only thing I couldn't figure out was my distances.

Ian has been mentioning for quite a while that once you get your fundamentals down, it's time to worry about things other than mechanics. My recent experience is telling me to agree.

[Kenisu]

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Looking the pictures and sequences of pro's and amateur's swings, I realize that at the begining of the follow through the left wrist of almost all the amateurs is cupped and straight in pros.
Can somebody tell me why? Is this because of early release of the club or maybe the pros don't stop the hand rotation at impact and amateurs do?

Thank you.

[indianagolf]

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please add hot trophy wives to the list.

According to one recent advertisement they all get the buttocks pointing away from the target after impact.

Pro's also have "feel." I know this may sound trivial but they can feel if something isn right. Many times making a slight change due to feel makes a huge difference. This could mean shooting a 68 instead of a 70.

[TeachingPro]

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The only things all pros really have in common in their golf swing is that they swing from an inside path and de-loft the club by 6-8 degrees on their irons (ie their hands are forward of the clubface at impact).

The rest is pretty irrelevant.

Um - no, sorry. Watch carefully and you'll see that a large number of pro's actually swing outside to inside. I'll give you a stating list of them if you like ...

Also, if they de-lofted their irons 6-8 degrees, they'd be hitting a wedge as low as a normal 5-iron and a 5-iron as low as a 2-iron. They all hit the golf ball to within 1* or 1.5* of the club launch angle.

Trust me ... they're both are things pro's don't have.

What all/most touring pro's have are:
1. Good setup positions
2. Good alignment at address
3. Repetitive top of the backswing alignment (I'm not saying they all get into good positions, but 1 swing position is exactly like the next swing)
4. They normally have a good wrist lag 3/4 of the way down (they normally hold the hit exceptionally well - no early release)
5. Excellent impact alignment (this is the most important)
6. Good balance at the finish
7. Good short-game skills
8. 3 or more wedges
9. No 1 or 2 irons, unless they are hybrids
10. Drivers with a volume greater than 420cc's

Most touring pro's have good equipment that suits their game, but at the lower levels, they have to play with what they can afford.

If you play the PGA Tour and cash regular cheques, a private jet is also a common factor.

[msklar92]

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1st, I think we need to differentiate between touring pros, club pros and teaching pros. That aside, if we are talking about touring pros, they are able to play under tremendous pressure. For the top touring pros, a mistake can cost winning a major. For touring pros on the edge, a missed putt or errant shot can cost them their playing card or thousands of dollars. Just think for yourself in the difference in playing a leisurely round and playing for a $10.00 nassau, then multiply that tension x 50 at least. Also, how many of us could hit it straight down the fairway with cameras in your face and spectators standing on both sides of the fairway??