wrist cup, cock, release, cross over

[shootin4par]

Re: wrist cup, cock, release, cross over

Well it sure as hell is confusing for a poor guy trying to iron out his swing! :P

well as soon as me and him understand each other then it should be clear enough by then for you to understand us

[Hannu]

Re: wrist cup, cock, release, cross over

Just getting ready to go to the range to test if I am understanding this right.

I think I have been messing up my release. With release I mean cocking and uncocking like a hinge. Just up and down movement with my wrists. I had a period of topping a ball and I tried to fix it by using force - maybe I was pushing down with my right hand. It was an active movement.

Well the problem as my weight transfer too much to my left in my back swing.

Today I will start with the drill with feet together and just shoot relaxed swings.

This discussion is very helpful. In some situations it might be easier to understand if we had a video clip attached. (It would not have to be a closeup of wrists or specially shot for this. Just any swing. It might help to see what everyone is talking about. We might use different words or mean different things with same words.)

I think I need to remind me of one principle in golf: if it comes natural, easy - it's probably the right way.

I will try to let it happen.

[Simon Woo]

Re: wrist cup, cock, release, cross over

Oops Hannu sorry to burst your bubble, but if it comes natural and easy, then it's probably the wrong way :P That seems to be the golden rule in golf :P

[Ian Hancock]

Re: wrist cup, cock, release, cross over

Hi Hannu,

http://www.golf-tuition-online.com/g...5/limit/recent

I have looked at my swing here with a 2 iron down the line, there is a good example of the release of the wrists just after impact, play the clip frame by frame and just after impact you will see the club stays down the line and the wrists have rotated.

Half way back in the swing the toe points to the sky..................and the same should happen after you hit the ball, so therefore the wrists have rotated naturally, if this doesn't happen then you must be manipulating the swing somewhere.......................which is very easy to do when you are working on something.


Hope this helps


Ian.

[Hannu]

Re: wrist cup, cock, release, cross over

This is what I like about GOLF :-)
Nothing is what it seems to be. And after false moments of clear vision ... one falls down.

But as I am stubborn, I will try not to force it - let it flow...

Thanks for the warning - I will try to be careful.

Thanks Ian for the video.

Toe's up in half way (horizontal level) in back and front is a good control. I'll check it. When I am not trying to hard, I do have it. If I try to hit anything more than comes easy, my wrists start to wackle. (Left wrist bends like playing with a ping pong club or clubface opens - or both:-)

[Simon Woo]

Re: wrist cup, cock, release, cross over

Glad you took my comments in a good way I'm also a strong advocate of the video - it's the most honest commentator There are finer details which sometimes instructors do not get into unless probably if you are into your 30th lesson and they have had the time to work on all the other bigger issues, and provided you have practised enough to ingrain those new changes into your natural swing (which I know I don't cos many times I go back to my previous habit after working on something new). But exactly as you put it, that's why I love GOLF!

[pnearn]

Re: wrist cup, cock, release, cross over

I agree with Ian and have posted something similar on the outside in thread

http://www.golf-tuition-online.com/s...9&postcount=20

IMHO if you even think about cupping/cocking/uncocking the wrists during the swing youre b*ggered because that will only increase tension in your wrists which will lock the wrists meaning they wont release. This gets worse and worse and people then become flippers/swatters without realising it (this happened to me and I had to unlearn the whole movement). I do agree and like the idea of cupping the right wrist at address though

Body rotation with loose arms/wrists will naturally rotate the left forearm and uncock the wrists. This happens as the torso turns and you get into the impact position as in Gregs great drill. The minute I try and consciously hold the cup in my wrist or release the wrist 'down' or anything like that Im hosed. Im my view the wrists/hands should be passive at all times in the swing.This builds lag through the 'hands'. GTO is littered with posts from guys who have found this secret and said they've hit their best shots ever

Some good articles

http://www.getgoodatgolf.com/swing/I...olf_Swing.html

http://www.getgoodatgolf.com/swing/T...olf_Swing.html

[Hannu]

Re: wrist cup, cock, release, cross over

I am back from the range. I was hitting from grass - not from a mat.

I did the feet together drill and shot about 50 balls. It was fine, but I didn't get the hang of it. I continued from shorts chips to a punch shot. Punch shot is done with your shoulders and with a weight transfer, but back swing is taken so high that your club is parallel to the ground.
(Very much the same as in the article pnear suggested.)

After that I toke my back swing a little higher and finally shot some full swings. It was a three hour practice. I think that in the end I got some good shots. It's easier to release from a full swing than a short one. IF your back swing is lined up and your weight transfer is working - and you're shooting from your hips. Just like a cowboy in westerns. Not much aiming, just rotate your hips, and drop your hands near your right pocket and "bang". (Well, some times it was a "duff" :-)

I think I will repeat this exercise tomorrow and try to make it more relaxed.

[Timothy Slaught]

Re: wrist cup, cock, release, cross over

Hello All:

Greg, it sounds like your appproach to releasing the club is predicated on the body (abs, chest shoulders) releasing the club with the wrist hinge allowing the force created by the turning of the body to unload the club through impact in the up and down motion.

To me, the forearm rotation method seems to focus on a horizontal motion at impact which would be akin to the swat but using the arms instead of the wrists to swat?

I feel like I have some forearm rotation in my swing but it does not occur at impact but past it somewhat into the follow through. In fact, this is more of a folding sensation than rotational. Prior to, and at impact, I'm striving for more of an up and down sensation following the arc of the swing. I feel like my body is creating the turn and release, not my arms and hands. Is this correct?

Thanks,
Tim

[GregJWillis]

Re: wrist cup, cock, release, cross over

Yes. That is a good description. In my opinion, the idea of a forced rotation as a release leads to mistiming issues. You can do it, but you better be really good at it to be successful.

[shootin4par]

Re: wrist cup, cock, release, cross over

Yes. That is a good description. In my opinion, the idea of a forced rotation as a release leads to mistiming issues. You can do it, but you better be really good at it to be successful.

greg, dont get me wrong, I do not beleive that it should be a FORCED rotation, but if people are pushing it, then they need to learn how to rotate it. When there is no tension, it should happen automatically, just as the angle should be released automatically.

[Hannu]

Re: wrist cup, cock, release, cross over

I have had two busy days playing golf. Could not go to the range as it was reserved for students and yesterday I toke part in a 3 person scramble competition.

I was very uncertain with my irons.

Next step will be just relaxed swings and sweeping the grass - and with a weight transfer hit the ball down wards. I will just do my back swing and let my arms drop down to the ball - and at the same time let my hips rotate...

I am tired of topping and duffing - this just can be so difficult - as it has been.

[Teevino]

Re: wrist cup, cock, release, cross over

Hello All:
I feel like I have some forearm rotation in my swing but it does not occur at impact but past it somewhat into the follow through.
Thanks,
Tim

I am confused. If you rotate the clubhead going back (which rotates your left forearm clockwise), how do you not rotate it going forward (counter clockwise) until after impact and still hit the ball with the face of the the club I am assuming of course that you do rotate the clubhead going back..

[Ian Hancock]

Re: wrist cup, cock, release, cross over

Trevino,

That is my point exactly, it should happen naturally.............................stop thinking about it and it WILL happen.

Personally I think this is a dangerous part of the swing to even think about playing with........

Ian.

[Hannu]

Re: wrist cup, cock, release, cross over

hi,

I had a nice visit to the range. Just shot short shots from 20 - 100 meters. Looks like if one wants to learn to hit a good contact, one has to concentrate on that part.

I think that after a few visits more, I might be able to focus on something else. At the moment I am trying to learn the feeling of my "attack" to the ball. Everything has to be at the right place at the right moment to get a nice contact to the ball.

I don't know which I prefer on shorts shots. a) sweep under the ball or b) contact to the ball and a small divot. Later needs a more hip rotation and a deeper angle down wards.

Which gives a better back spin?