Severe Inside Path, Please help,Shootin, Greg, Ian!!!

[jbrunk]

I had a revelation yesterday, as I was testing and getting fitted for some new irons. I tested 6 models and hit 15 shots total, every single one of them on the heel (not a shank, but inside clubface). My club pro said that I was way to far inside (under the plane) on the downswing. I watched it on video and my path travels from inside to outside on the downswing which is apparently causing the clubhead to move away from my body as it approaches the ball. I have always stuggled with this severe inside path and can not find any good ways to fix.


Ledbetter says to widen downswing arc to get to inside square to inside, by straightening right elbow as early as possible in downswing without losing wrist angle. (Kind of sounds similar to the feeling of RHD)

By the way, I have been doing the RHD, will this fix the problem?

All of my divots point to the right of my target.

My driver is always, always hit in the dead center of the face, what is the difference in my driver path and my irons?

Please let me hear you expertise.

[shootin4par]

Re: Severe Inside Path, Please help,Shootin, Greg, Ian!!!

this is more tricky then the alternative, outside inside swing. first where is ball position for driver, 3 iron 6,9,wedge. Would really like to see this on tape, is that possible?

[jbrunk]

Re: Severe Inside Path, Please help,Shootin, Greg, Ian!!!

http://www.golf-tuition-online.com/g...to/634/cat/529



This video was from about 6-7 weeks ago. The video we took was coupled with a launch monitor in the store so I do not have yesterday's video for you to look at. I did have a lesson in May 2005 and it showed the same inside out path. My pro had me taking the club away straighter but that only helped for a couple of months. (Seems like that is just a bandaid)

When i try to straighten my right elbow early in the swing it feels like I am coming right over the top.

Driver and 3 iron ball position is front left heel, 6 iron middle, 9 iron back of middle.

[msklar92]

Re: Severe Inside Path, Please help,Shootin, Greg, Ian!!!

If you have an inside to outside swing path, you should either be pushing the ball alot on the course, or hooking the ball depending on how fast your hands are at impact. Is this true?

[jbrunk]

Re: Severe Inside Path, Please help,Shootin, Greg, Ian!!!

Yes, everything is either a big push or hook, with the occasional looker.

[shootin4par]

Re: Severe Inside Path, Please help,Shootin, Greg, Ian!!!

http://www.golf-tuition-online.com/g...to/634/cat/529



This video was from about 6-7 weeks ago. The video we took was coupled with a launch monitor in the store so I do not have yesterday's video for you to look at. I did have a lesson in May 2005 and it showed the same inside out path. My pro had me taking the club away straighter but that only helped for a couple of months. (Seems like that is just a bandaid)

When i try to straighten my right elbow early in the swing it feels like I am coming right over the top.

Driver and 3 iron ball position is front left heel, 6 iron middle, 9 iron back of middle.

I cannot view it at work, I will look at it later but I will say that I suspected you put some of your balls too far back. you are so good at coming from the inside, the farther back you put the ball, and still come from the inside, the more under plane you would get because you have to, to come from the inside. nine iron, BACK of ball at the center line, six iron, right at a ball more forward of nine.

[msklar92]

Re: Severe Inside Path, Please help,Shootin, Greg, Ian!!!

There are a couple is issues with your swing. One seems to be that you are set up towards the target line rather than parallel to it. The other is that you club face is open at the top. i.e the toe of the club is pointing straight down rather than at the target line. However, before getting too crazy, trying lining up a little more square and make sure the ball position is not too far back in your stance. Also have somebody check your grip to make sure it is not too weak. See if others agree.

[tpg1965]

Re: Severe Inside Path, Please help,Shootin, Greg, Ian!!!

hi jbrunk.

i have been studying the video of your swing. First , your weight is too much on your toes ( when you take your address, ideally your hands should hang just over the edge of your toes. if this is not corrected then centrafugal forces on the down swing will throw you froward slightly, enough to come off the heel of the clubface.) Try this address drill. at adress try gently rocking your weight forward to back ( toe to heel ) until you find that place in between the two. this will keep you balanced through out the swing.

as for the in to out swingpath , i have some points for you to remember.

1)takeaway: The path of your swing is dictacted by the takeaway. To prevent moving the clubhead inside the ball to target line too early, make as wide an arc as possible.

2)mid point on backswing: the clubhead should be parralel to the ball to target line. With and in to-out swing the clubhead as moved in side your right elbow.

3)top of the back swing: On the video you are aiming too far right at top of backswing ( you have cut across you target line ) . Check the club points to the target at top of backswing.

4)mid point downswing: the down swing has to follow the same path as the back swing. If the clubhead moves inside too early it will be difficult to square the clubface at impact.

5)through impact: try to swing through your target line after impact ( on your video you swing to the right after impact).

hope these points are of help. Regards ...Terry

[jbrunk]

Re: Severe Inside Path, Please help,Shootin, Greg, Ian!!!

Hey Terry, thanks for the response. I want to clear up one thing in case anyone else notices: It may seem as though my weight is on my toes, but in the video my practice area is slightly side hill, so it may look like I am not in balance, but normally my weight is evenly distributed in the middle of my feet.

Does it look like I have a loop in my swing? I ask because I do the wall drill to practice a good plane takeaway, but my pro says that it looks as though I dramatically drop my hands on the downswing.

[jbrunk]

Re: Severe Inside Path, Please help,Shootin, Greg, Ian!!!

Further analysis has brought some questions:

1. If the club points at or slightly left of the target at the top = on plane?
(Mine points substantially right of my target at the top)

2. Can I cure this problem by simply using a wider, more square takeaway?

[RandomHero1090]

Re: Severe Inside Path, Please help,Shootin, Greg, Ian!!!

After all the reading, I go back to the top and point out....

"I always, always hit my driver square."

Well, its hard to be too far inside with that club. Its longer and requires a wider swing arc. We naturally swing it wider due to the length of the club.

If you watch some pros, at setup, the ball is right off the toe of the club at address. Yes, they still take the club away with the clubhead OUTSIDE the ball. This creates a wide arc. With an inside swingpath, the club makes square contact.

Look at Jim Furyk! Way wide, then inside.

[Robert O' Keeffe]

Re: Severe Inside Path, Please help,Shootin, Greg, Ian!!!

Looking at your video I dont see much wrong. The only comment i would make is you seem to have a very fast swing. wOULD IT BE AN IDEA TO SLOW IT DOWN WITH THE SAME TECHNIQUE?

[RandomHero1090]

Re: Severe Inside Path, Please help,Shootin, Greg, Ian!!!

I wish I could see the video here at work....

I will say this....coming from the inside TOO much is better than coming over the top.

Maybe consider a inside-square-inside swing??????

[shootin4par]

Re: Severe Inside Path, Please help,Shootin, Greg, Ian!!!

No ball there, makes it hard to tell what you really do. We talked about your swing before but you never got back to me on the suggestions I made at the end.

[Ian Hancock]

Re: Severe Inside Path, Please help,Shootin, Greg, Ian!!!

Josh,

Sorry I have only just seen your thread, I have not read anyone elses answers sorry if I duplicate.

If you are inside on the way down two types of shot appear, long irons and driver not to bad centre hit at worse a push, try to correct it and a hook. The reason it not to bad is your sweeping though on a shallow angle which is better for the longer clubs.

Short irons however suffer especially out of the rough due to the hosel catching the grass first and shutting the face.

Cure..........Simple, I have to assume you know the swing plane and the half way back position.........good............the pumping drill start from the top of the backswing and pump the arms up and down the correct path, on the third or fourth pump go straight though and hit the ball...............

Hope this helps


Ian.