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**RandomHero1090** · 05-24-2006, 08:00 PM

Re: keys to power?

Two responses to items just posted....

1) Sweet Spot - The sweet spot on the new drivers is huge. Toe and heel hits go ALMOST as far as dead center hits. Swing path and making contact on a slight upswing have become more important than where on the clubface the ball is making contact. I am not saying that you should make an effort for a dead high center contact, because you should and that will produce long drives.

2) Grip Strength - Yes, you should have a relaxed grip. And yes, strong forearms improve distance. But gripping the club tightly does not.

The reason for extra distance with stronger forearms is in the release. Hold your right hand up, palm up. Now PUSH your right hand over so that your thumb goes from right to left and the back of your hand is now up. That is the same action in the release. It is vise versa with your left hand because it is PULLING the club and the right had is PUSHING the club.

If one hand dominates the swing, bad things can happen (IE: Pushing too much with the right causes a hook, not enough a slice). There must be a natural balance. However, if you have strong forearms, you can create more of a SNAP at impact. Which in turn creates more clubhead speed.

**RandomHero1090** · 05-24-2006, 08:02 PM

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....as for forearms and biceps....

Look at Camilo Villegas (look at June 2006's Golf Digest).

He is 5'9" and 154 lbs. He is 4th in driving distance at 308.5 yards.

There is a picture of him at the finish. His arms are INSANE!

I read an article online about his training. 3 times a week he trains forearms and biceps. Lots of Hammer Curls and Reverse Preacher Curls.

**lgskywalker37** · 05-24-2006, 08:55 PM

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i was looking at thoose stats there and JB and Bubba have the same swing speed but bubbas ball speed is 12 faster. the only thing i can account for that happeniing is...... i did some calculations and everything being the same, bubbas club head would have to weigh 60g heavier to get that much more ball speed with that club head speed. i am assuming they both have .83 COR a 46g ball and they both have 7.5 loft. does anyone know what the club head weight of bubbus ping G5 and and holmes cobra comp 454? i calculated it at G5 at 180 and the cobra at 240, i jsut wanted if anyone knows the actually weight of thoose clubs to check if my calculations are correct.

i know the shaft weight has something to do with the eqauitin but i have no clue how to calculate what the length and weight of the shaft, and how much that mass that actually adds into the eqaution.

**RandomHero1090** · 05-24-2006, 08:59 PM

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...and my understanding is that the rules on club head weight are much different than rules on size. I know the Cobra is 454 CC and the Ping is 460. So there is a LITTLE weight there.

Look at it like this....Bubba is swinging a HEAVIER club as the same speed as JB. Laws of physics, the ball will go slightly FASTER. So that take more torque. Bubba's backswing is sick. It's like Gumby swinging a club!

**lgskywalker37** · 05-24-2006, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by RandomHero1090

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Look at it like this....Bubba is swinging a HEAVIER club as the same speed as JB. Laws of physics, the ball will go slightly FASTER. So that take more torque. Bubba's backswing is sick. It's like Gumby swinging a club!

i know bubba's head is heavier, about 60grams heavier according to my calulations... i was wondering if anyone can back that up with club head specs?

**RandomHero1090** · 05-24-2006, 09:18 PM

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I was backing you up

I could not find the actual weight anywhere yet. Ping's website did not have it on there.

I emailed my cousin, a club pro in FL, he looks stuff up like that for me all the time.

**lgskywalker37** · 05-24-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by RandomHero1090

I emailed my cousin, a club pro in FL, he looks stuff up like that for me all the time.

thanks, i appreciate that.

**shootin4par** · 05-25-2006, 02:28 AM

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bubba hits it farther because he has more arse behind it. if shaq and bruce lee throw a punch with the same speed, technique and impact conditions, shaqs would hurt more because he has more force behind it. His club head does not weigh 60 grams more, that swingweight would be off the charts

**lgskywalker37** · 05-25-2006, 03:09 AM

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Originally posted by shootin4par

bubba hits it farther because he has more arse behind it. if shaq and bruce lee throw a punch with the same speed, technique and impact conditions, shaqs would hurt more because he has more force behind it. His club head does not weigh 60 grams more, that swingweight would be off the charts

as i recall I was using something hypothetical to prove a point and you shot me down

Originally posted by lgskywalker37

but if one were to swing as far back as daly ( it think tiger is the closest and most flexible) with little hip rotation giving them a big x facor then that longer backswing would result in more SS.

Originally posted by shootin4par

If tiger swung back that far, with hip restriction, it would be his last swing, ever.

so I had to shot down your hypothetical comment, but its all in good fun

shaq doesn't have bruce lees technique

well of course shaq would hit harder if conditions/technique were the same becaue he has more mass behind it. like i said bubba's head has more mass behind it or more ARSE if you will.
there there is no such thing as a bruce lee shaq.
shaq doesn't have bruce lees technique

but back to golf

i dont think a 240g head is that heavy, mine is 232g. but mathematicaly speaking here is a formula for you

126(1+.83)/(1+46/240) = 193 ball speed BUBBA

126 club head speed

.83 COR

46 ball weight

240 club head mass

126(1+.83)/(1+43/180) = 183 ball speed HOLMES

so it could be his shaft weighs 10 more grams and his head 30 more, not sure how much the weight of the shaft actaully counts towards the mass of the head at impact but that is why i want someone to check the actaul stats of there clubs to see if the formula is correct.

**shootin4par** · 05-25-2006, 03:30 AM

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I thought this was a discussion on why player A hits it farther then player b while most all things seem equal, except for player size? The point of my post was to inform, nothing more, nothing less

**GregJWillis** · 05-25-2006, 03:42 AM

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Originally posted by samburk

Just out of interest, what do people think are the few main keys to maximising distance?

Shootin...ya missing the main thread's point. This is a perfect discussion.

**B11NONGOLF** · 05-25-2006, 01:42 PM

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been relative new in this game a person is totally confused with the humongous quantity of information avail.

grip:hold lightly one said like holding a egg gently

in the other hand there is power in your hand like msklar92 said.

the pro teacher i used to learn from once told me from 1 to 10 my grip has to be 5!!

i belive yourself have to try all and keep what is work for you personally.

**msklar92** · 05-25-2006, 01:47 PM

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what i said was the it is ironical that a great deal of power comes from your grip strength or forearm strength, but you need to hold the club lightly.

**Liam Hancock** · 05-25-2006, 06:20 PM

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Hi Samburk,

I know quite a lot of keys to power, have you got sky sports [tv].

On sky sports there is an advert with tour pro's on telling you loads of tips.

they are make your swing big, take a bigger shoulder turn ect.

Liam,

**C111Smith** · 05-25-2006, 10:26 PM

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Good point, Greg. But, um, what are YOUR keys to power?;-)

-Clay

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