Hogan had it wrong?

[samburk]

You hear all the time about how you should start the down swing according to what Ben Hogan said - by entirely rotating your hips. This does not seem at all comfortable to me and I have a lot of trouble doing it successfully. I have however found this article saying Hogan was not totally correct and the method it gives as an alternative seems far more fluid and natural to me.

www.golfbetterproductions.com/ben-hogan.asp

[MPLAVLEGL]

Re: Hogan had it wrong?

Thats Great
Golf is such a individual sport that no two people swing the same or use the same swing thoughts. I try not to have contempt prior to investegation I try to keep a open mind especially when a experianced golfer is suggesting I try Something.

[ChadCash]

Re: Hogan had it wrong?

Hogan must have had it right. I def. don't believe in the concept that is in the article above. I personally don't believe you drop the hands first in the sequence of the downswing. I think that the downswing is iniated with a slight bump then rotation of the hips.

[samburk]

Re: Hogan had it wrong?

Hogan must have had it right. I def. don't believe in the concept that is in the article above. I personally don't believe you drop the hands first in the sequence of the downswing. I think that the downswing is iniated with a slight bump then rotation of the hips.

By a slight bump before rotation do you mean a lateral movement of the hips towards the target?

[Mcdougle]

Re: Hogan had it wrong?

I think that article is correct because i find that if i rotate by hips to start the downswing, it pushes the club out and then i am cutting across the ball at impact as it creates a out to in swing.

Maybe this is why so many people slice the ball, because they did what hogan said?

[ChadCash]

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Yes lateral before rotation. If you take your stance a swing to the top of the swing try bumping your hips slightly laterally and notice what happens to your arms, hands, and club. They should fall into the slot after that all you do is rotate to finish the swing.

[SlicersHell]

Re: Hogan had it wrong?

Yeah, he left out the mention of the small hip bump to start the transition before the rotation of the hips...but if you watch videos of his swing, he does have that bump there.

[pgmetcalf]

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People describe the swing in a manner to which they can relate and that doesn't translate easily from tutor to student. People swing in different ways though they may look similar at first glance. What is good for one person may not be good for another.

To me, "swinging from the hips" sounds a little static, with more upper body action than movement in the legs. If you swing on a tripod (static legs) there's a good chance you'll block the shot off to the right or, even worse, slice.

When I swing, I feel as though my stomach is turning right around (level) though, actually, it's my left side, mostly the leg, which is the controlling factor, that I swing around; it looks like my leg is the hinge of a gate.

Always bare in mind, that golf is a game where people sometimes try and correct the swing by looking in the wrong place. For example, if you slice, where do you look first? the arms or the lower body action? Each can cause a slice. Then again, if people can't ground the club correctly or aim the club face correctly, it's very unlikey you'll hit a good shot, even if you do make a good swing.

[ChadCash]

Re: Hogan had it wrong?

Too much lower body action will not cause a slice. Possibly a push. Unless you have too much lower body action and still come over the top and in that case you have a whole mess of a problem.

[pgmetcalf]

Re: Hogan had it wrong?

Too much lower body action will not cause a slice. Possibly a push. Unless you have too much lower body action and still come over the top and in that case you have a whole mess of a problem.

I suggest you read my post again young man

[learning]

Re: Hogan had it wrong?

I agree with the earlier post where the little hip move gets things started, but if you consiciously try to do it it looks funny like you are dancing, it is ever so slight, I got it by starting with my feet together, then shifting, and after good contact, I kept moving the feet a few inches apart while making the same move. The main thing for me is keeping the tension at the top running from the left hand/arm down through my left side and through my hips while turning, if there is no tension there, it is just a arm swing for me. I learned aot from this site. (http://www.newgolfswing.com/newgolfswing05.php)

after 20 min on the range. and 9 holes. it is working fine. But if you have a tee time tomorrow, don't try it. It takes about a bucket of balls at the range, and the 1st 4 or 5 holes on the course to sink in. But now I have it down. and love.

learning

[ChadCash]

Re: Hogan had it wrong?

What did I misinterpret?

[RandomHero1090]

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I like that sight Learning. I like the laterial move towards the target. It might not be a sight for the beginner, but good for an intermediate player.

The pulling of the left arm is HUGE. Not many instructors talk about it. YOU DONT START THE SWING like that, but its a feeling you MIGHT get. At the halfway down position, the butt of the shaft should be point out in front of the ball. It should show you the inside path (inside-out).

[Matt10]

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Tried this today on my par 3 - I must say, a little hip bump has worked wonders. I had been struggling with a weak fade when I rotated my hips on the downswing, when I tried the hip bump to start the downswing, everything the dropped into place and my shots were as straight as an arrow - felt great.

[pnearn]

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John Dunigan has some good ideas IMO. His ten more yards article is a really good read

http://www.golfillustrated.com/reports/10moreyds.pdf

What he advocates is starting the downswing by pulling down with your hands/arms from the top. For someone who maybe has a quick lower body, slide or OTT shoulder throw and disconnects their arms and body on the way down this may be good advice but only if the backswing is right to start with and that you did this pulling down action with your upper arms keeping those hands and wrists light