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**GregJWillis** · 09-14-2006, 01:33 PM

Re: Now I am confused....

There's nothing wrong with the left wrist cup. In fact I have a bit of it myself. What AJ didn't talk about is the cup in his right wrist also, which he does have (in his video look at where the right hand is positioned on the club...there is that angle)...he is just focusing on the idea of a bit of a left wrist cupping to open the face up so it can close again through impact. He explains you don't close the face using the wrists-flip that we both agree on whole-heartedly.

Nothing to be confused about at all...all great stuff. If you put the Normal secret on AJ, he would be just fine.

The other interesting thing was the hitting down on the ball that I also advocate using the wrist hinge up/down. He didn't go into detail on "how" to do it, but I would bet that the right hand drill would be a perfectly welcome drill to accomplish this for him.

What he might have a problem with is the fuller shoulder turn through to square the face up that I like. He calls it a "check swing", where the "littel home run" is a wrist/arm roll to square up. But, I can definatly see the benifits of both...try both and see which you are more consistant with. You might hit it longer his way, but I contend less consistantly. I am 6'2" and have lots of upper body strength, so I like using my shoulders more. He is a bit shorter and probably stronger in the forarms, so likes the wrist/arm roll. (The difference basically between a "swinger" and a "hitter").

Great find! Loved the video.

**golfseeker** · 09-14-2006, 02:05 PM

Re: Now I am confused....

Thanks a lot for your timely comments. I went back and looked at A J's video again but more closely. He does maintain the right wrist cupped at impact and his left wrist is fairly straight at impact. His main idea is to create more club head speed by turning the toe past the heel as fast as possible. This type of manipulation of the wrists would be a timing issue that would be very difficult to achieve without a lot of practice. I have seen a super slow motion film of Ernie Els swing and it showed his swing going from open (within 1 foot of impact) to closed (within 1 foot past impact). That means he rotated his club 180 degrees within 2 feet with the forearms and wrists. Of course he has been doing with many years of practice and play thus is very good at it. I also took a look at several professional golf swings but I did not see any of them with a cupped left wrist except at address. None (men or women) had a cupped left wrist at the top of the backswing. All had basically a flat left wrist from the top to impact. But they all had the cupped right wrist up to impact. JMHO. Thanks again Greg for your comments and I now believe I have a clearer picture of the golf swing. I just have to get from consciously learned to sub-consciously performed.

**LowPost42** · 09-14-2006, 02:32 PM

Re: Now I am confused....

Sorry for not having the link - but there's a great link to a video around here (I think member BrianW provided it) to a Ritson-Sole website that discusses flat left wrist vs cupped left wrist at the top - and the role it plays in conjunction with the grip.

**captglover** · 09-14-2006, 06:45 PM

Re: Now I am confused....

Say, Didn't Hogan's "Secret" involve a cupped left wrist in the backswing to keep him from hooking?

**lgskywalker37** · 09-14-2006, 08:30 PM

Re: Now I am confused....

thanks for that video golfseeker..... a while back i was getting an extra 40+ yds and i couldn't figure out how or why, i just turned my left wrist at impact, but wan't sure how i was getting so much distance from that.....
but i can see how that would be harder to hit acuratly since you are moving the club face and it is all about timeing, but when my tempo is good and my timgin is on, that gives me an some nice extra yardage and ist was so strait, worth a try on a par 5 if it is wide enough (for error reasons, if timing is off.) but it deosn't take alot of practice..... i don't know what made me think of trying that but the first time i tried it it worked long and strait, but it is about the tempo, if the tempo is off then it can hurt, but if your tempo is good then if works out quite easily actually.

**golfseeker** · 09-14-2006, 09:24 PM

Re: Now I am confused....

Originally posted by captglover

Say, Didn't Hogan's "Secret" involve a cupped left wrist in the backswing to keep him from hooking?

Your are correct as I recall from Hogan's book.
I remember that Hogan was fighting the hook and that maybe the answer is the cupped right wrist for me as well. I hit a bag of balls last night on the range and hooked almost everyone of them. If I used the cupped right wrist to impact and then released the club after impact then I did not hook the ball at all. I will just have to work on my mechanics to figure out what works best for me. I will let you know what happens to my game as I work on these things. It may be next year before things begin to fall into place. I have to get rid of some bad habits first. It usually takes several weeks to replace bad habits with the good ones. Have a great day and keep it in the short grass.

**lgskywalker37** · 09-14-2006, 09:45 PM

Re: Now I am confused....

now that makes sence, some of my old treads had my asking why i could only hit my 4i 150ish but i could hit my drive 260+, becuae my SS was low, but i "hit homeruns" with my driver and not my irons. it wasnt't that i was hitting my irons bad, and my driver good, i was just hitting "home runs" with my driver and "check swings" with my irons.

**Simon Woo** · 09-15-2006, 12:39 AM

Re: Now I am confused....

That's interesting, skywalker. Care to share what you actually do for your driver swing that's different from your iron swing? Given your success with the driver using the homerun hitting method, why don't you consider replicating that with your irons too?

**lgskywalker37** · 09-15-2006, 01:12 AM

Re: Now I am confused....

well, untill i saw that video, i only unsed the homerun method once and didn't knw how to so i never repeated it....... i might try that with my irons, but irons are scoring clubs, acuarcy over distance. honessyl then i couldn't figure out why i was hitting so far (so effortlessly), now i know why.

**BrianW** · 09-15-2006, 01:03 PM

Re: Now I am confused....

Originally posted by LowPost42

Sorry for not having the link - but there's a great link to a video around here (I think member BrianW provided it) to a Ritson-Sole website that discusses flat left wrist vs cupped left wrist at the top - and the role it plays in conjunction with the grip.

Here is the video link:

http://www.ritson-sole.com/golf-tips...ing-your-grip/

**LowPost42** · 09-15-2006, 01:29 PM

Re: Now I am confused....

Thanks Brian. I love that video. It was the 'last piece' of the puzzle for me. (Unfortunately, I've lost 2 other puzzle pieces...

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**BrianW** · 09-15-2006, 01:51 PM

Re: Now I am confused....

You are confused, join the club!

I have tried to understand the concept of cupping the right wrist through impact but I am still struggling with it. OK, I accept it may be that I am being a bit stupid here but this is the way I see it. (Greg, I would appreciate your input)

I think the hands should take their natural hanging position when applying the grip, this results in a neutral grip where the vee of the left hand points to the chin and the right towards the right ear (Right handers of course). Elbows should point slightly upwards with their outsides pointing towards the hips, this will result in a very slight minimal inward bowing of both wrists.

During the backswing and downswing to impact the wrists should not be encouraged to bow, this will allow the clubface and wrists to return square to the ball at impact. (I don't understand the concept of the shoulders rotating back through 180 deg at impact in the downswing).

To generate power the clubface should be approaching maximum speed as it strikes through the ball position, maximum speed will be gained just past the ball so as to inhibit deceleration.

It is important to keep the clubface square to the target line as long as possible through impact while creating maximum headspeed. I prefer the "Puck Release" to do this as opposed to rotating the forearms (of course some forearm rotation will happen). This method allows the right hand to turn under the left through impact, not by scooping but by using a similar action to a Ice Hockey player propelling the Puck forward on the ice. This keeps the face square to target while creating a good release. To assist with understanding: Imagine a piece of string being tied midway up your right forearm then tightly onto the mid point of the club shaft at address, during the backswing the string will loosen, at impact it will tighten, if you then imagine that you want to snap the string as you push the right hand under the left through impact.

Comments welcome please?

**paterick** · 09-26-2006, 04:01 AM

Re: Now I am confused....

brianw, thanks so much for posting that link. it connected me with a whole bunch of stuff that makes since to me and helps.

the grip explanation explained to me why some times i could do no wrong during drives and at others i could beg for a straight one. since i am a beginner i tend to change my swing and my grip all the time weak to strong, two plane to one plane. now i seem to know when to cup the left wrist and when not. for instance for me if i cock my wrists on the way back, i seem to always cock my left wrist too. but my weak could be weak and nothing would work. then their are times when i dont cock my wrists on the back swing and naturely the left wrist doest cup. so if i a strong gripped i am messed up again. so the link has hellped me try and put the right variables with the others

thanks
pat

**Simon Woo** · 09-26-2006, 12:49 PM

Re: Now I am confused....

Saw the video. So does this mean that whether your wrist is straight or cupped at the top, it's not as important as the fact that your clubface should be square (45 deg to the ground)?