The Magic Move

[RandomHero1090]

Re: The Magic Move

Here we go again with the mixing and matching different style and techniques. When AJ talkes about cupped left wrist, YES you will cup it, have to cup it, IF you use a strong grip and hit a draw, weak grip will result in a flat left wrist and usually involve fading the ball. Use a strong grip (hands turned to the right alot) and try to have a flat left wrist at the top, and you are going to spend the majority of your golf day in the woods on the left from all the duck hooks your going to hit. Same token try to cup the left wrist with a weak grip, just head to right woods, because that is where it will be.

The idea here is too get your clubface at a 45 degree angle to the ground at the top, your wrist cupping is going to change dependant on your grip to acomplish this, why 45 degree at the top, because that would be a square clubface, same reason the toe should straight up when the clubshaft is parallel going back, because then the face is square and you do not have to manipulate it in any way coming back down. More golf swing are screwed up when trying to mix and match different fundelmentals, like setting up for a draw and trying to hit a fade, then can't understand why the ball goes into the woods.

Very nicely put in paragraph 1. I use a stronger grip because I have a natural cup to my left wrist. Its not dramatic, but you can see it. When I go to neutral I hit fades.

You are spot on about setup. Hard to hit a draw the open shoulders.

I think golf is a bit mix and match because of all the body types out there. We all cannot do the exact same thing.

[bill reed]

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hi
look at iron byron or the ping man, the robots they use to hit drives to test there clubs, there is no motors in the wrists, no opening and closing the face of the club and its like navy said toe points to sky at 50% swing with arms poining away from line of target. club face is in the 40/50% at full swing, and its the club head that catches up with the hands after inpact, they do hot the ball on sweet spot every time but there lot longer than most of the pro player with any driver, i understand cupping the wrist before swing to help you at inpack but think relaxed wrists and timing is what makes the pros so much better that the rest of us.
bill

[BrianW]

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Here we go again with the mixing and matching different style and techniques. When AJ talkes about cupped left wrist, YES you will cup it, have to cup it, IF you use a strong grip and hit a draw, weak grip will result in a flat left wrist and usually involve fading the ball. Use a strong grip (hands turned to the right alot) and try to have a flat left wrist at the top, and you are going to spend the majority of your golf day in the woods on the left from all the duck hooks your going to hit. Same token try to cup the left wrist with a weak grip, just head to right woods, because that is where it will be.

The idea here is too get your clubface at a 45 degree angle to the ground at the top, your wrist cupping is going to change dependant on your grip to acomplish this, why 45 degree at the top, because that would be a square clubface, same reason the toe should straight up when the clubshaft is parallel going back, because then the face is square and you do not have to manipulate it in any way coming back down. More golf swing are screwed up when trying to mix and match different fundelmentals, like setting up for a draw and trying to hit a fade, then can't understand why the ball goes into the woods.

Hi GoNavy,

Yes, good explanation. I just don't agree with what this guy says in this Magic Move video.

Here is a great video link that I have posted before, it explains the relationship between grip and left wrist cup perfectly.

http://www.ritson-sole.com/golf-tips...ing-your-grip/

[GoNavy]

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Very nicely put in paragraph 1. I use a stronger grip because I have a natural cup to my left wrist. Its not dramatic, but you can see it. When I go to neutral I hit fades.

You are spot on about setup. Hard to hit a draw the open shoulders.

I think golf is a bit mix and match because of all the body types out there. We all cannot do the exact same thing.

I agree, there will always be exception, Lee Trevino, and Paul Azinger, come to mind immediately, many others. In Lee and Pauls case they both play with a strong grip and fade the ball, both have flat left wrists at the top, but they are also very talented, and reroute/manipulate the club coming back down to achieve this, and play quite well, something I don't think the average person can accomplish. You can in some cases backwords engineer this by going to the top, loosen your grip and have someone move the face to the correct position then bring the club back to address, this is probably the grip you should be using, weak or strong, or netural, or close to it, why fight nature, the idea is to repeat, making things simple. Keep in mind making ANY swing or grip change, affect every other fundelmental, they must all complement each other and work together.

[GoNavy]

Re: The Magic Move

For though who want a magic move, here is the magic move...first decide what type of ball flight you desire, then apply fundelmentals for that type of shot, grip, stance, swing shape (path), alignment, aim, ball position, forget about hand/arm positions, rolling, picking up, etc...etc... the list goes on, if the ball did not react as you expected, one or more of the setups you did was NOT correct, work on finding that, not swing changes.

Almost without exception, every person I have ever worked with, barring beginners, get out postion at setup, fix the setup and magically they start hiting good shots again.

[shootin4par]

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this "magic" move is way down the line on order of importance. grip stance, alignment, ball position, back swing pivot, transition ALL are more important then this, IMO Incorperate this move into someone who has something wrong in my previously mentioned points and this may make them hit the ball off the planet. And if you have the things I mentioned correct, chances are you wont need to think about any of these "magic" pills

[bill reed]

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hi
have to agree with gonavy and shootin that you have the basics right, once you have the fundementals you can start tweeking here and there but not before, its not just having the fundementals its also understanding them.
bill

[Rackster]

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If Bonar is so good, why does he not coach any PGA tour pros?

I do I agree with him that the role of the hands as been under emphasised in in teaching, with many focusing on body movement. I think people get confused about hand action and wrist action.

[bill reed]

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hi rackster
i like how bonnar shows you how the club face looks in your hand and its not how you first think it is, i also like his nail through the ball. he has some good points but it dont seem to work for me, maccready strait shootin has a lot of good point too like the overpower of the right arm going back, i think he has a simply way for high handicapers to swing and hit a ball well, ledbetters interactive i find the best to use on the three.
bill

[rharris06]

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PGA Tour coaches are no better than some coaches that dont coach pga tour players. Coaching PGA Tour players is over rated but obviously you do need to be a very good coach.

[Robert O' Keeffe]

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Random,

I have seen this guy on the golf channel and watched with interest. My advice to you would be forget it. To me he is just marketing his book or video. OK, he may have a swing method which works for him, but I would think 99% of coaches would not be too enthusiastic about it. I honestly think if you pursue this teaching method it will destroy whatever swing you have along with messing up your head. I will always stay with my coaches advice and work on what I am given by him. It hasnt done me any harm yet

Cheers,
Robert

[Matt10]

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All I know is that for my driver, I'll set up with a small left wrist cup and play the ball in the middle of my stance. I don't know what this does, but it's enabled me to hit consistently 230-240yards straight. I swing fine with the irons, so no need to use a wrist cup with the left there.

[lgskywalker37]

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personally i like this magic move. when i cupple it with the right hand cup it seems to always be strait for me...... it is more benifical for a flatter swing though if our wing is realy upright then it isn't as good.