another crack at getting my swing looked at

[lgskywalker37]

here are some vids of my swing.

slow motion down line 7i http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLj_PGHcb7U
slow motion face on 7i http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QYG6tgwJCk

all comments/suggestions appreaciated.

[BrianW]

Re: another crack at getting my swing looked at

Hi,

You are cocking your wrists too late in the backswing, this is encouraging you to release them early which will create a power leak. Try cocking them at the end of the take away when your arms are horizontal to the ground, then releasing when your hands are near your right thigh.

You are lifting up on your right leg in the backswing which is assisting in you loosing your spine angle, you should work on maintaining the flex in your right knee throughout the swing, try to feel as if you are more squat in the downswing.

You have the foundations of a good swing keep working on these few points.

[Robert O' Keeffe]

Re: another crack at getting my swing looked at

Skywalker,

I immediately see a lack of wrist cock as well as "too late" a wrist cock. Try and cock when the club is paralell to the ground. Get this right and you should automatically create a wider arc which will increase distance. Try and keep the lower body quiet. You seem to be rising up as you turn the shoulders

[lgskywalker37]

Re: another crack at getting my swing looked at

thanks for the replies i will work on an eralier wrist cock.... as far as posture, maybe that is why my driver is my best club, becaue their is very little spine tilt, but i have trouble maintaineng sping tilt as my irons go down.

[shootin4par]

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skywalker, these observations are correct but they are not the CAUSE of the problem, by rather the effect. You do not shift off the ball in the back swing onto your right leg. If you put your weight on your right leg correctly it will not want to raise up but rather the opposite, IT WILL WANT TO GO DOWN. Check out the thread I made up on this, check out tiger at www.nike.com/nikegolf/swingportrait/index.html and super impose his head, and PUT LINES ON THE SCREEN. DO the drills that I mentioned to see for yourself that weight shift is allowed by proper head movement and keeping the head still in the back swing is a killer.

[lgskywalker37]

Re: another crack at getting my swing looked at

skywalker, these observations are correct but they are not the CAUSE of the problem, by rather the effect. You do not shift off the ball in the back swing onto your right leg. If you put your weight on your right leg correctly it will not want to raise up but rather the opposite, IT WILL WANT TO GO DOWN. Check out the thread I made up on this, check out tiger at www.nikegolf.com and super impose his head, and PUT LINES ON THE SCREEN. DO the drills that I mentioned to see for yourself that weight shift is allowed by proper head movement and keeping the head still in the back swing is a killer.

are you refering to my right foot lifting off on the downswing? i hear that is because of my hip sliding. you ever see this? http://www.golfonline.com/golfonline...8865-5,00.html

[shootin4par]

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no, I am refferring soley to your backswing. You need to learn to shift off the ball on the back swign and more over top of your right leg on the back swing
look at bubba watson top of back swing, scroll down and look at pic 3 on this sequence and you will notice his head is almost directly over his rear foot and he is the longest hitter on tour i believe
http://golfdigest.com/instruction/in...berwatson.html
now I dont know that you should get quite as much over your right foot as he does but that is soemthing where you have to figure out your balance point.
here is a drill to get you in the position I am talking about. Put a piece of masking tape on the mirror and three inches to the right another piece. put it head high. Now take your driver and put it across the bakc of your shoulders and hold onto it their. Now keep your head STILL and rotate while not letting the head move off the piece of tape on the left, this is what YOU do when you swing, gonavy spotted this as well, this is not getting behind the ball and notice how the shaft is to the left of the tape?. now go back to address and this focus on getting your left shoulder behind the tape on the left and allow your head to shift to the tape on the right and from this perspectice the shaft should line up in line with the tape on the left. this is getting BEHIND the ball and this is the position that picture gonavy put up illustrates. Do this with tape or markers on a mirror but DO THIS and get back to me. after doing this you will have a much better understanding of getting behind the ball.

good luck
neil

[lgskywalker37]

Re: another crack at getting my swing looked at

LgSkyWalker37

You do not have a swing, you do not have anything but lifting up and falling

lol... nicely put, but i agree..... the only reason i go back that far is just formalities, if i do a full swin gwiht my driver i can carry about 250, or if i just bring my club back to strait up and down (180 form adress) i can hit is carry it about 240, i just have a violent hit, not a swing, i am trying to get a swing.

[lgskywalker37]

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i have updated my vids
slow motion down line 7i http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLj_PGHcb7U
slow motion face on 7i http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QYG6tgwJCk

[pnearn]

Re: another crack at getting my swing looked at

IMHO you (like many many others and like I used to be) use your hands and arms too much in the backswing. This is giving you a 'fake' turn and you body and arms quikcly become disconnected leading to the up and down choppy motion

Try and work on a connected takeaway where you feel as if you maintain the triangle formed by your arms at address by taking that triangle straight back from the ball and low to the ground for 18 inches using your core only. Your core being your sternum/belly. This will shift your weight and get you behind the ball. A proper one piece takeaway. Everything connected. From there stop shifting right (else you will sway) but continue to turn that triangle. Keep the hands/wrists as soft as you can. You dont want them to do anything here. Just respond to the body motion. If you keep them soft the right elbow and wrists will start to hinge and set the club up as you continue to drive that turn from the core. Dont overswing and make SURE your hands and arms stop moving when you cant turn anymore. Dont lift arms or cock wrists. As S4p says you should find yourself behind the ball

You have now made a body led turn. Left arm should still be connected to the chest and roughly across your left shoulder. You can now turn back and through by shifting that 18 inches back again to the left and then turning that core back through. So shift-turn back .. shift-turn through

A really good way to prove to yourself that getting your arms out of it works is to take practice half swings with your right hand. Try putting a ball on a tee and gripping down a wedge and hitting it with the right arm/hand only. I bet you'll find it really hard. Now take the left hand and push the top of the right arm into the chest. From there do the same practice swing with the body led shift and turn motion. Use you core to turn the right arm back and through rather than independerny swining the right hand. See how effortless and easy it is (and how surprisngly far the wedge goes!)

HTH

[pnearn]

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Now ive got the time here are some thoughts to key on to help grain in what I mentioned above

1. On the BS think about turning the left shoulder over the instep of the right foot

2. As said, on the BS keep the hands and arms along for the ride. You'll know youve done this by looking at the right elbow. It should look at the right hip at address and when the club is parallel to the ground it should be at the same level. It shouldnt have lifted up. If it has only your arms and hands could have lifted it there. Your trianlge should still be intact. Youre hands outside the clubhead and the shaft pointing down the line. The natural feeling we have is that the higher we lift the club up in the air the more power and speed we will have. This is one of golfs paradoxes in that lifting it up and down (like an axe) is a lot weaker than turning it back and through with the core

3. On the downswing you will feel that you will hit the ball way left and subconciosuly want to control that with your hands. You have to learn to trust to keep those hands and wrists really soft and loose and let the weight shift and turning core pull them down and through. Indeed if you do hook or pull it its probably because youve used the hands through the release. If you tell yourself you want to hit it left by turning the core you may find you end up hitting it straight and you can trust it from there!

[shootin4par]

Re: another crack at getting my swing looked at

good advice from PNEARM and suggestion number 1 should take care of a lot of your issues. Get behind the ball and your connection and many other issues will be taken care of.

[lgskywalker37]

Re: another crack at getting my swing looked at

By you doing, what you are doing, if we place a tennis racket's face on the on the front of the right forearm it would be facing the sky, thus producing a lifting action which is ok for a driver.
People tend or do not understand Newton's 2nd Law, force can produce speed.

thanks for all your help. i think i know what a weight shift is supposed to feel like now. i just think of moving all my weight onto my right foot, then rotating around that. then transition just move all my weight back to the front foot, then rotate around that. my ball striking has improved %100! instead of raising my right arm up i feel i am more turing around my arm shoulder and arm now. and it sounds and feels a lot better. but i still have to work on keeping my tush line and releasing too early. i think once i get a better tush line that will also get rid of my sliding and i will have a bit more power.

here on some new vids..... i would wait more time but today i felt such a big difference in my contact and ball flight (becaue of my weight shift) so i thought i would post my improvments

Down the line 7i http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNGy-fKWdUM
Face on 7i http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XkM19PSslk


but i don't think it is that people don't understand that force produces speed, it is just they don't know how to produce max force.

i also agree with you that i have a lifting action.... my irons go way to high. thees are range balls..... but my 5i was going about 170 and my 8i going 150 and the long irons i had it didn't go much farther than my short irons, it went real high though. and my drives are about 270. i know i can get so much further with my driver if i just work on a later release. as far as my irons i think i need to get them a bit lower.

cmays,
i tried a open stance and kept lead hand in front of back foot and hit it and tried a closed stance with a flatter swing but both went about the same distance. but i think i read in one of you post that males usually have a more open stance becuae of the way their hips are and it is easier for a female to have closed stance and rotate. i also read somewhere that a flatter swing an more open stance is better for your joints than a upright swing. but i got from you post that you were mixing the two.... you said if i stay open i should have and upright swing and if i close then i should have a flatter swing?

[shootin4par]

Re: another crack at getting my swing looked at

in watching your new stuff your head does shift off the ball but it does that a little too late, IMO. try getting wide at the start of the backswing and that is when your head will shift off the ball, you shift off the ball at the end of the back swing. WOuld be better if your lighting was better, can you tape it outside? at address have your nose pointing at your right foot and look left out of your eyes, this will keep your chin from restricting your backswing early on.

[lgskywalker37]

Re: another crack at getting my swing looked at

Would be better if your lighting was better, can you tape it outside? .

unfortunatly i live in an apartment and there is nowhere to do it outside and the slow mo has low lighting (to accomodate shutter speed) i can have brighter light if i show you the regular speed swing, but then the hands/arms get blurry and are hard to see.