Rolling the wrists

[Simon Woo]

Re: Rolling the wrists

I love that swing! I started golf about one and a half years ago and came across that swing half a year ago. I knew then that if my swing looked like that, I would have arrived in golf! :P

Well it's still very much work in progress, and recently I've started warming up with two clubs and realised that my swing does look more like that, but once I proceed to use one club and swing at the ball, it goes back to my old swing

Well anyway, that swing looks perfect (to me at least). So I'm not very sure what I should be looking out here?

Thanks!

[pnearn]

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I realised I could see all the knuckles shortly after takeaway - conclusion was that I was rotating my hands way too much. Why? I think one big reason was because everybody kept saying at the top of the swing, you should have your back hand like a waiter holder a tray. In order to achieve that position, the only way was to rotate a whole lot on the backswing!

I don't believe in that tip anymore. I think it should not be so drastic as a waiter holder a tray horizontal, but rather closer to a 45deg where the club face is square at the top and not so open that you would hold a tray with your back palm.

I think because of that I had to make a lot of adjustments coming down to impact, and definitely losing distance and solid contact.

Simon

Heres something to try. A little half swing but it should help you really feel the arms working with the body and the forearms staying square. My guess is that you are using the arms/hands (even subconciously) to pull the club back and this fanning it open. Impossible not to

Take a set up and then kick your right knee in. Almost the feeling of sliding your right hand down until it touches the side of the right knee. Your right knee will now be almost under the right hip. This will give you some axis tilt and open your hips a little, Keep the left leg straight so that you almost feel the right knee trying to brace in towards the left leg. Then bend from the hips so that you get that sit on a stool motion, angle of hips at 45 degrees, stick that butt out and up! Weight on the balls of your feet

This should give you a really stable lower body which is vital. Now take your stance, and form your triangle with elbows pointing at hips. Now try and squeeze your elbows towards each other but keep your grip on the club light. Feel the squeeze in the elbows not the hands

Now use your chest to turn those squeezing elbows (triangle) half way back all the time keeping the feeling that you are squeezing those elbows together. You should notice that triangle stays together, the forearms dont rotate (which is what is fanning the club open) and the club head stays outside the hands. You'll also see how its the rotation of your chest which is turning the club face open a little. Only go half way back. If that right knee stays as kicked in as you can make it you turn you should really feel a stretch up the the inside of the right leg. From there just push a little off that stretched right leg and turn that chest and elbows back to the ball again and through to a good finish

Start with some wedges for a few balls and work up. I'll bet, done properly, you can hit a 7i 150 yards like that

[Simon Woo]

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Paul, that sounds a bit like the setup I was taught in my first few lessons of golf. How my instructor at that time tried to teach me was to straight out both arms like wings of an aeroplane, and then get the bent in the waist and butt sticking out nicely. (By the way, that was at Peter Senior and Gary Edwin academy).

I felt that was quite a one-plane swing they were teaching. And a bit of that rubbed off on me, as somehow I developed the habit of swinging really flat and open. If you remember, I was kinda stuck in between the 1PS and 2PS, and lately I have gone back to a more natural 2PS for me (ie. bringing the arms up) and tried to correct that...

[pnearn]

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Simon

If I remember your videos your had a really good takeaway but your lower body collapsed on you a bit (right leg straightened .. no coil) and you overswung and went across the line

The inside of the right leg is key. If you cant feel a stretch in it half way back then IMHO you arent coiling properly or have swayed or like in your case back then, you didnt really have any coil and were just going up with the arms. I havent seen you post a vid lately so I dont know how youre getting on. Great I hope

I find that if I kick that right knee in which also rock the hips up a little toward the target then this really helps me feel that coil as I go back. From that half way position you can hit the ball well but you can also lift a bit from there too (right arm bicep curl) if you want more elements of a 2ps (which is perfectly fine)

[Simon Woo]

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Roger that. I definitely feel like I've learnt to get a bit of coil - definitely feel more wound up at the top. And with the woods, I even do a bit of extra turn to feel more like my back is facing the target.

I'm still not getting great distances, but impact is definitely more solid and consistent once I've gone back to raising my arms more (hands above head at top of swing as opposed to before where hands were only around neck/ear level!). I'll try to get a video out soon and hope to get updated and much needed feedback from you guys!

[jambalaya]

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Many thanks for your responses. However, instructions regarding the subject couldn't be much more confusing for me. The basic thing I got out of it is that you don't roll the wrists, you just swing correctly and the wrists roll. An over simplification I know, but I just didn't follow a lot of what some of you were saying.

When I took lessons the instructor actually grabbed my wrists as they were extended out in front me, asked me to relax, and rolled them. He wanted to emphasize the wrists, locked together, rolling as one. I was actually successful at conciously rolling them in that lesson to square the club face. Since though, it has been difficult to do. Many of your instructions seem to lead to rolling the wrists, forearms, at follow through but that doesn't seem to help bringing the club back to square which I thought was the purpose in the first place. What got me thinking about this again was the video that came with the "Inside Approach" gadget that I bought. An instructor was going over fundementals of the swing and said as a matter of course that rolling wrists was a basic thing to do when coming from the inside with the swing (or something like that) to square the club face. My search continues for a clear, simple explanation.

Ha, look at this link. Another instructor talking about rolling the wrists.

http://golfzone.sportsradio1300.com/tips5.html

And another link: http://www.golfhelp.com/golf-tips/Power_Positions.html

[drbob]

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Everyone:



In another post you stated you put your feet together and drive the ball 270 yards and you do not know why.

The part I can't figure out is why when I put my feet apart, the ball doesn't go much farther. I've got better leverage with the ground, presumably a slightly wider arc because I've got more lateral movement, and a greater weight transfer, it should all equal more momentum behind the club.

Unfortunately, I just haven't figured out how to get em all lined up at once!

[pnearn]

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Lateral movement provides no extra distance it is rotation.

Amen to that. What you are doing with the feet together is locking down the lower body so that your upper body can only turn back and through. The lower body cant through you left or right or up or anyways, all of which are false movements

In fact its a real good way to learn. Hit 50 balls with your feet together until you hit the ball straight consistently. Then space out the feet a little at a time and work on keeping that lower body just as stable (by either tilting the hips, kicking the right knee in or whatever)

[lgskywalker37]

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Lateral movement provides no extra distance it is rotation.

i dont' want to hijack the wrist thread so i will continue this discussion in a thread called "the role of the legs"

its a long one.......

http://www.golf-tuition-online.com/g...l#post10527372

[bahamaman]

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I totally agree with GOLFJUNKIESR. If your shouder rotation is correct on the backswing and follow thru, the wrists natually do there thing. Don't mess with this area of the swing. It's an optical illusion like GONAVY says. Focus on maintaining your spine angle for one. When is the last time that was checked. Then shake hands in both directions; left hand on the backswing, right hand on the downswing. Look in a mirror if you have to. You should be able to see both shoulders as they turn. The left shoulder should always be under the chin.It's too easy to over analyse the golf swing. Hope this helps.

[Simon Woo]

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Wow it's great to see some activity in the thread after what, 1.5 years?

Sometimes I see the pros doing their practice swings and they really whip the club through impact point. I wonder what are their (practice) swing thoughts then. If you are concentrating on rolling the wrists, I'm sure you won't be able to whip the club like that

[pnearn]

Re: Rolling the wrists

Wow it's great to see some activity in the thread after what, 1.5 years?

Sometimes I see the pros doing their practice swings and they really whip the club through impact point. I wonder what are their (practice) swing thoughts then. If you are concentrating on rolling the wrists, I'm sure you won't be able to whip the club like that

SIMON!! .. how are you mate ... hows the golf going?