Problems with changing to a one-plane swing

[detonum]

Re: Problems with changing to a one-plane swing

cmays, thanks for noticing that wrist movement at the top of my backswing. It does switch planes. Right now I'm working on getting my backswing at the top position correct, and rotation of the left arm in the downswing. I feel like I'm almost there, finding that correct swing plane. I've taken a few videos, and from what I see, correct backswing position and rotation of the left arm are taking the club more and more on plane.. I'll post new videos once I've ingrained these stuff.

[jcbdb]

Re: Problems with changing to a one-plane swing

I would look at you arm to shoulder plane at the top of the backswing.

In the first video you get to the top in a perfect position but then carry on going, lifting the arms up and off the same plane as your shoulders. which in turn is giving you an overswing so no matter if you turn only with your shoulders on the way down your arms and hands are out of sync and it will take a great deal of co-ordination to return the clubface back square.

A few things I would look at are:

Maintaining the flex in your right knee

Maintaining the spine angle throughout the swing

Maintaining the connection between your left arm and chest from the start of the backswing through to finish

Hope it helps

Cheers

JCBDB

[detonum]

Re: Problems with changing to a one-plane swing

Hi, I thought I would post about my progress. Thanks for the replies jcbdb and cmays.

Damn, that wrist movement is hard to get rid of. But I've found a new friend: the waggle. I waggle the club inside to the right, the same move I should be making in the backswing. It keeps my left wrist flat. My takeaway is a bit armsy, because I'm teaching myself to rotate the forearms to the position at the top. I need to start doing more of a one piece takeaway, and start rotating my forearms from hip height.

I'm getting the clubhead aligned to my right forearm more and more in the downswing. That's of course a good thing. My hips seem to slow down at impact, so I've got to keep on turning! I think I've been halting my turn because I fear that I will swing out-in and/or lose my spine angle.

http://www.tommikaikkonen.com/swing8.mov

[Matt10]

Re: Problems with changing to a one-plane swing

deto, it looks alot better to me now.

Something I'm trying to do myself is get back to One-Plane again. To start off, I decided to subscribe to the website:

www.oneplanegolfswing.com

It's about $15 per month and has alot of info, including excellent videos. I'm excited to try it out and I'm sure if you did, you'd enjoy it.

Focusing on just rotating back and through,with no arm movement, shouldn't be hard - and something I like that the creator of the site, Chuck Quinton, says is that "With a simple swing, there comes simple mistakes, therefore simple fixes."

[BrianW]

Re: Problems with changing to a one-plane swing

deto, it looks alot better to me now.

Something I'm trying to do myself is get back to One-Plane again. To start off, I decided to subscribe to the website:

www.oneplanegolfswing.com

It's about $15 per month and has alot of info, including excellent videos. I'm excited to try it out and I'm sure if you did, you'd enjoy it.

Focusing on just rotating back and through,with no arm movement, shouldn't be hard - and something I like that the creator of the site, Chuck Quinton, says is that "With a simple swing, there comes simple mistakes, therefore simple fixes."

Get a copy of Nick Bradley's book "The 7 Laws of the Golf Swing" it will show you in great graphics what you need to do.

[detonum]

Re: Problems with changing to a one-plane swing

BrianW: I'm getting that book for christmas! I've read good comments about it so I can't wait to read it. Are the laws applicable to both one- and two-plane swings, or only one of them?

Matt10: I would love to join the site, but I'm not not 18 yet, so I can't use paypal, and my parents won't pay it for me online. But the site does have a free public forum, I've found some good info there.

[BrianW]

Re: Problems with changing to a one-plane swing

BrianW: I'm getting that book for christmas! I've read good comments about it so I can't wait to read it. Are the laws applicable to both one- and two-plane swings, or only one of them?

Matt10: I would love to join the site, but I'm not not 18 yet, so I can't use paypal, and my parents won't pay it for me online. But the site does have a free public forum, I've found some good info there.

Hi,

He teaches a one plane swing but much of the book would benefit most golfers. His articles on the grip, ball position, posture, the mental game etc are first class with the best graphics I have seen. You will enjoy it.

[golfseeker]

Re: Problems with changing to a one-plane swing

To learn the single plane swing you should start with a mid-iron like a seven or six. Bend from the hips (not waist) until your spine angle is about 45 degrees to the ground. You will have to flex your knees a lot more than a two plane swing to keep your balance. Now start your swing with your left shoulder and just turn so that your left shoulder will end up where your right shoulder was at address. When you do this properly your spine will be almost 90 degrees to shaft of the club. On the backswing you should have cocked your wrist when your arms are parallel to the ground. Now turn back down towards impact with your left shoulder. Continue around your body to a complete finish. Do all of this in slow motion. You will find that you will not, or cannot come-over-the-top with this movement. You start on plane and you end on plane. Start all of your swing movements with your left shoulder and finish with your left shoulder...putting, chipping, pitching, driving, etc. You can't go wrong. It can't be any simpler.

[slater170]

Re: Problems with changing to a one-plane swing

Get a copy of Nick Bradley's book "The 7 Laws of the Golf Swing" it will show you in great graphics what you need to do.

hi brian
thanks for the tip about the book?
just bought a copy and i think it superb!
had an instant 'win' at the range tonight reading law one about natural hand alignment i now realise what i thought was a strongish grip was basically a weak grip no wonder i have been fighting a slice all this time.
hit some really powerful straight shots even with the driver
deep joy

[detonum]

Re: Problems with changing to a one-plane swing

golfseeker: You have told me what must be done in order to execute a proper one-plane swing. I can't do that. I first have to unlearn all the bad stuff I am doing in my swing. After that, hopefully I'll have a simple motion left - the one-plane swing.

I got some cool christmas presents, including a proper video camera (for filming my swing), 7 laws of the golf swing book and Dave Pelz's putting bible.
Nick Bradleys book seems very good, but I haven't read it through yet.

I've also made some progress on my swing, I think I have a much better release now, and the clubface isn't wide open at impact anymore. Also I'm more on plane too. I feel like I've got more clubhead speed now, but I haven't had the chance to hit some balls in a while to check the progress.

The new cam that I got is a Canon MV900. It's capable of 1/2000 s shutter speed, but I can't use that much ss because I don't have enough light inside the house.
Because of that I have to use the sports mode, which prioritizes shutter speed while maintaining a proper amount of light coming to the lens. So the clubhead is quite blurry.

Here are the new videos.

www.tommikaikkonen.com/faceon1.mov

www.tommikaikkonen.com/dtl1.mov

[shootin4par]

Re: Problems with changing to a one-plane swing

To learn the single plane swing you should start with a mid-iron like a seven or six. Bend from the hips (not waist) until your spine angle is about 45 degrees to the ground. You will have to flex your knees a lot more than a two plane swing to keep your balance. Now start your swing with your left shoulder and just turn so that your left shoulder will end up where your right shoulder was at address. When you do this properly your spine will be almost 90 degrees to shaft of the club. On the backswing you should have cocked your wrist when your arms are parallel to the ground. Now turn back down towards impact with your left shoulder. Continue around your body to a complete finish. Do all of this in slow motion. You will find that you will not, or cannot come-over-the-top with this movement. You start on plane and you end on plane. Start all of your swing movements with your left shoulder and finish with your left shoulder...putting, chipping, pitching, driving, etc. You can't go wrong. It can't be any simpler.

what I dont understand about hardy is he tells you to set up like this but the "one planers" such as hogan, set up nowhere near this

[Goldfinch]

Re: Problems with changing to a one-plane swing

Jim McLean teaches one plane swing???

[miffin]

Re: Problems with changing to a one-plane swing

I am a naive golfer I am afraid. What are one plane and two plane swings please?

[MiniMoe]

Re: Problems with changing to a one-plane swing

Everyone has two cents to give, but you can't do everything that is being said. I have been swinging single plane for over 10 years now, so I feel your pain. It is important to remember that the single plane swing is more simple than the conventional swing. Keeping that in mind, try to reduce everything to it's most simple form. Looking at the video, it is obvious that you are not swinging down the line. On the range, place two clubs on the ground parallel to each other. One is your target line, the other is your feet line. Now, when you swing, chase to the target. Get the club pointing to the target half way up the follow through. Do this in slow motion to geet the feeling, then gradually work your way to the full swing.

You will find that if you keep your thoughts on what you want the club to do and work on them in slow motion, your body will be in the right positions. After all, if your club points to the target after inpact, then you are not coming over the top.

Keep is simple.

[golfseeker]

Re: Problems with changing to a one-plane swing

There was a clip on the "Golf Channel" a few weeks ago where a golf instructor was swinging an iron horizontally...somewhat like swinging a baseball bat on a single plane. He kept swinging for a couple of times. Then he began to tilt his spine from the hips all the while he never stopped swinging the club. As he continued the same swing on a plane that was perpendicular to his spine and parallel to his shoulders he eventually hit a ball off the deck. All the while his rhythm and tempo never changed. There was no thrusting of the hips, no coming over the top. Everything about the swing was around the spine angle. The key thought here is that when you swing on a single plane the club head (regardless if it is an iron or wood) is always perpendicular to the spine angle and parallel to the shoulders. I also noticed that the professional golfers who play with a one plane swing have way more spine angle (as much as 45 degrees to the ground with short to mid irons). Some of the pro's said that when they changed to the single plane they often felt that they were going to fall on their face. They had to have more flex in the knees or they would lose their balance. That is my take on the one plane swing and I really like it. Hope that helps...
Seeker