myths in golf

[bill reed]

Re: myths in golf

hi gonavy
sandy lyle always had a shortened swing and he was very long off the tee. never ever saw sandy take a full back swing.
bill

[cyc53870]

Re: myths in golf

That's an interesting fact about shortened swings. I have a 3/4 swing and find it to be more reliable than a full swing with much better accuracy and about the same distance... Yes, a crisper and more solid shot.

Perhaps later on, I may consider lengthening the swing but not just yet...

[BrianW]

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I would say there is only one way of correctly hitting a golf ball, that is with solid contact on the sweetspot with the clubface pointing directly at the target through impact.

Quirky swings can work but rely on small adjustments of the hands and wrists that can, and will go wrong more often than a well grooved classic swing. I see golfers with these odd swings hit some long straight shots but then all too often their swing falls to pieces. IMHO is that after all these years anyone styling there swing on Hogan's principles will have the best chance of bringing out their best in the game.

Regarding the shorter backswing. It is normal and quite correct for the golf swing to be laid off or shorter looking with irons and longer looking with the driver or long irons. The swing will be the same it's just the additional length of the club pulling down against the wrists that gives the impression you are making a fuller turn. You should always make a full shoulder turn in the golf swing.

[shootin4par]

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I would say there is only one way of correctly hitting a golf ball, that is with solid contact on the sweetspot with the clubface pointing directly at the target through impact..

actually the clubface rotates about three degrees from the time of impact untill seperation. The clubface is on the ball around 2/3-3/4 of an inch. So if you come into the ball with the clubface at the target, by the time it leaves it will be 3 degrees closed and you will have a shot that goes severely left

[cyc53870]

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No way. Impact is only for a mere fraction of a second... I think there's too little time for all of that to happen...

[LowPost42]

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No way. Impact is only for a mere fraction of a second... I think there's too little time for all of that to happen...

How else do you explain a snap hook? Or any bending ball flight, for that matter?

[Mr_Change]

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A good mate of mine who plays off 1 can hit happy gilmore style shots and he uses it whenever he has a wide open fairway, and he hits it a good 340 yards. but you should see the hook he gets with it.

[Started2k3]

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How else do you explain a snap hook? Or any bending ball flight, for that matter?

Magnus Effect

[shootin4par]

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cyc, here is a good visual http://www.pga.com/popup/iyg/video/videos/000627_hi.asx
somehwhere around the 4:30 mark is a great visual of what the face does.

[LowPost42]

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Magnus Effect

Magnus Effect?

[GoNavy]

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GoNavy:

Was that my good friend Hubert Green?

Hubbie, short swing and straw hat.

Green made it and he had a bout with cancer few years back and is doing well.

To many people are putting all their energy from the top of the backswing down.

The energy and speed starts when the right arm for the right handed golfer returns to the chest.

I got a laugh out of Leadbetter, he has learn to tighten up on the swing and in his new books he states the long backswing arch is a myth.

Like I been saying for 35 years, you can stretch the arms as straight back as you like on the backswing, but once the right arm for the right handed golfer starts to bend and forms the 90 degree angle, you are in the same place as if you bent the back arm up on the backswing.

How many times have you heard to allow gravity to allow the club to drop?

Gravity places the back arm to the chest, then you are able to rotate and turn on the speed.

Many of you would be better off playing a 3/4 swing until you learn the full swing and on the forums there are many honest ones tell you they hit better when making a 3/4 swing. As long as you make a good back turn in the backswing you have it maded in the shade.

No one swing will ever fit everyone, too many instructors only teach one type of swing, by mechanics and the PGA has stated the same.

No it wasn't Hubbie Green, I remember him, he was hot for away, but compared to this guy I saw that day, hubbie had a full upright swing...lol... He was in the 87 kemper, the year I think Tom Kite won it in Potomac. This guy swung the club flatter then anybody I have ever seen, it litterally never got over his waist high, swung back around his legs, club was pointing at the target on the transition from backswing to forward swing it just down around his waist..lmao..impact and follow through pretty much looked like everyone else. With such an unorthodox swing he probably didn't last long on tour, don't remember him winning anything that year, but he was interesting to watch, of course back in them days there were alot of strange swings, chi-chi, trevino, casper, littler even Arnies swing was a little funny, and you remember when Nicklaus first came on the scene they said with that flying right elbow he would never last..lmao...blew that call didn't they.

P.S. here is a trivia quote for ya..during that 87 kemper I followed Lee Trevino for awhile, he was the only player in field using one of them new metal headed driver, the other pro's were really giving him grief over that, poking fun at him, he just laughed on every hole and kept saying one day every one will be playing with these things, telling every spectator he seen you better go and buy one now, this thing is great, your gonna love it....guess he called that one.

[Scragger63]

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Magnus Effect?

OK, so I was both bored and sort of half interested, so I "googled" Magnus Effect, this is one of many that came up...

http://wings.avkids.com/Tennis/Book/magnus-01.html


Cheers...

[Started2k3]

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Magnus Effect?

Like it says in the article:
A spinning ball (with a rough surface - dimples) will create lift through different pressures on either side of the ball.

The direction of the lift force is related to the direction of the spin, and lift can be up or down or right or left or other logical combinations.

If you want a physics paper that I have on the Magnus Effect, then PM me with your email address and I will send it to you. (I don't want to break any copywright laws.)

If you want more I will start a different thread, but be forewarned it would probably be excessively technical.

Charles

[JohnP]

Re: myths in golf - Go Navy, find that man!

OK Go Navy, rack your brains, check out the entrants names for that tournament, and find that man with the powerful half swing!!

I don't know why but I need to know!

[BrianW]

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actually the clubface rotates about three degrees from the time of impact untill seperation. The clubface is on the ball around 2/3-3/4 of an inch. So if you come into the ball with the clubface at the target, by the time it leaves it will be 3 degrees closed and you will have a shot that goes severely left

How can you expect anyone to think like that when hitting a ball? Would you advise them to get the face 3 degrees offset at impact. come on!

The best advice in my opinion is to get the face square at impact and keep it pointing at the target, as the saying goes "Hit the ball for a long time"