myths in golf

[bill reed]

Re: myths in golf

have a look at leadbetter interactive it shows the driver and way the shaft bends forward at impact, i can see that with my eyes and till someone can show me something to say diffrent i will continue to belive that the shaft will flex some on backswing and at impact, you only have give the driver a wiggle to see the shaft flex and you get a whippy (soft senior) shaft and boy does that flex,
bill

[BrianW]

Re: myths in golf

The shaft bends so little on the way down you would not be able to see it.

The best way to get the shaft to bend is at address and to lean on the top of it.

Little difference in flex, so there is a myth when it comes to control.

You are a product of slick advertisement.










1. http://www.dynacrafteurope.co.uk/modguidechapter6.pdf

2. http://www.dynacrafteurope.co.uk/modguidechapter7.pdf

If the shaft does not flex then why have a lie angle? I understood this was to compensate for the shaft lag and twist so the sole returns square.

EDIT:

And although the jury is out on Martin's commets regarding the direction at this time the pictures distinctly show the shaft bent.

[bill reed]

Re: myths in golf

there is a drive on the golf channel that sam torrance and tony jacklin are pushing ( k1 speed driver) they talk about its double kick shaft and way it makes the the head kick into the ball for more power.
if what you say if true then they are telling lies and its false advertising and should bet pulled up for it as there misleading people as they selling this on having a double kick shaft.
bill

[bill reed]

Re: myths in golf

hi cmays
if the club head does over take the shaft just before impact then the face must increase the angle of the face if only a little, be the same if you flipped your wrists at impack but only increase it more.
bill

[Martin Levac]

Re: myths in golf

Bill Reed,

I didn't write that the shaft does not bend. In one reply, I wrote about an equipment myth where it says that the shaft bends for a reason that's totally wrong then went on to explain the actual reasons it did bend. In another reply I wrote that the shaft appears to bend this way and that when in fact it was an optical illusion. It may well bend in the pictures you see but you will never know exactly how much and which way simply because the optical illusion appears to bend the shaft this way and that. The illusion can't be removed.

This optical illusion isn't a matter of old versus new, it's a matter of moving object versus time to expose of the object versus time to expose different parts of the object on different parts of the film. It affects all cameras, not just old mechanical clunkers.

I know of no camera that can expose all of the film in the same infinitesimal tick of time. That means that no matter how small a slice of time the film has been exposed, there will always be this optical illusion however slight it may be because the film has been exposed part by part, period of time by period of time in sequence.

Let me put it another way, the image you see on the screen is not reality, it's a representation of reality. Just like the disqualification of Michelle Wie following a recreation of the events, the pictures we see are only a representation of the events, not the events themselves. The representation is flawed.

Look at the link I provided earlier, that video was taken with a digital camera:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD-xVUwkMtY

A test for cameras is a spinning disk with a line drawn across it. A picture is taken of the spinning disk then compared to the disk itself.

Take a look at retinal persistence. Wobble a pencil in front of your eyes. That's one mean optical illusion.

Look it's really easy, if anything you see disobeys the laws of physics, it ain't true and something's up. Laws of physics, unlike the laws of justice, can't be broken ever. Like the shaft that gives back more power than it got, that's nonsense and you know it.

[GoNavy]

Re: myths in golf

there is a drive on the golf channel that sam torrance and tony jacklin are pushing ( k1 speed driver) they talk about its double kick shaft and way it makes the the head kick into the ball for more power.
if what you say if true then they are telling lies and its false advertising and should bet pulled up for it as there misleading people as they selling this on having a double kick shaft.
bill

lol..people are lying in commercials...say it ain't so...I can't believe anyone would lye just to sell a product. We haven't even got onto puring shafts yet...lol... Anyways this just shows you, if everone agreed it won't be a myth, have to have two sides, really doesn't matter, hit the different shafts and which ever one you hit better, use it, doesn't matter which way it bends.

P.S. Here is a little story for ya, back in my younger days I worked for a temp service waiting for the re-enlistment bonus to go back up, before I re-enlisted in the Navy. Got a job for a few days as an extra on an infomercial for house siding, can't remember the name, but they were selling aluminum siding...(how ever you spell that)...their big sell point was over plastic. Part of the show, and I say show because that is what it was, is how in summer this plastic stuff would melt and deform and their new Aluminum stuff stayed fresh and new looking, so they had some of this plastic stuff and their stuff put it some really hot water and put both pieces in at the beginning of the show while they talked, then would pull it out and show how the aluminum stayed original looking and point out how the plastic was all deformed, this simulating a season summer weather, then they took another piece of each and put in ice water did the same, and showed how the plastic stuff became brittal and broke. Looks good, but here is what they didn't show...that 30 minutes took us 3 days to shoot, during the off camera they took that plastic stuff and took a flame tourch to it for the summer deal and threw that thing in a freezer for the winter thing just make sure the plastic thing would break for cold and deform for heat. So were they lying or just exagerating to sell the product. Oh and my part, sitting at a table answering phones at the phone bank for all these millions of callers calling in for the special offer...no one there, just making it up, phones were not even hooked up, just talking to myself and smiling alot.

[bill reed]

Re: myths in golf

hi cmays
i know what your saying and agree if you have a set of fitted clubs with the right shaft felx for you and you can have your hands just before the club face at impact you will get great distance if ball hit also on sweet spot. to soft a shaft you will have the clubhead get to the ball before your hands if you keep the same swing. fitting does make a diffrence. if you go back to the old hickery shafts its so hard to get the ball in the air, we play once a year here at musselburgh with them and its a fun day out.
shaft felx is complecated and i dont know that much about it, maybe lowpost could add something as he has a lot of experance with building clubs, but i do know the shaft does bend some as you get to top of swing and again at impact. just what the effect it has on the ball i dont know for sure but i know that if i have a stiff shaft like an old hickery i cant get the ball high in the air and if i use a soft seinor flex i tend to hit it to high.
i can only add what i have found by doing it myself and what i have seen, so far no one had changed what i think.
i'm sure you have tried really soft shafts in your time and feel the head gets to the ball to quick too.
bill