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  • #31
    Re: ladies golf

    I'm right there with you, Bill - the LPGA is really starting to come into its own, especially regarding the quality of the field and the prowess of the players.

    Once Wie is free to play LPGA events as she chooses, I think it will be very interesting to see how she fares; especially since players like Creamer, Pressel and Ochoa will have a few more wins under their collective belts - and be able to enter into that winners mindset.

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    • #32
      Re: ladies golf

      hi lowpost
      really looking forward to the womens British open as Sunningdale as its a really strong field on show and any of a dozen could be in with a good chance.
      its a good fair course too and one we don't see that much on TV any more.
      i hope Annika put up a good show in her last major game before she retires.
      cheers
      bill

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      • #33
        Re: ladies golf

        Didn't Wie score in the sixties in her lastest tourney? If only she didn't forget to sign her card! She is a young, talented, exciting female golfer who is certainly going places and earning millions! It is not off the mark to say that she will someday be a hall of famer, eh?

        I must admit she looks great in her golfing outfits...

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        • #34
          Re: ladies golf

          hi cyc
          you think if she was starting to come into form then she would want to play in the last of the womens masters as Sunningdale and not play in the mens event.
          if she misses the cut as she has done so far she will get slated in the papers and if she makes the cut it wont help her in any way to keep her card. she has to finish in the top 3 in a couple of weeks to keep her card and not have to go to Q school.
          if she finished in the top 20 in Sunningdale it would of counted to her card. seems a very strange choice.
          if she has to go to Q school there is no certainty she will get her card.
          David Leadbetter said that she will have to snap her show laces to keep up with the men and thats when she makes mistakes when she try's to hard.
          he wanted to to try for Sunningdale not Tahoe.
          cheers
          bill

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          • #35
            Re: ladies golf

            Q school could be a blessing in disguise... many greats have attended it. Wie will surpass Sorenstam and Ochoa one day. Mark my words.

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            • #36
              Re: ladies golf

              hi cyc
              if you look back at Ochoa when she was 15,16,17,and 18 you will she she was placed higher and in many more competitors than Wie has been. she had been scoring steadily since she was in her early teens and now all that early competition is helping her in this her best year so far she is still very young and only a few years older the M Wie.
              i think she had won 12 pga so far and two majors. she had 21 career wins so far. her first year she finished 21st in the welch k championship and then 7th in the Nabisco championship. then in 2002 her first full year on tour she finished 5th, 8th.14th. and 37th. not bad for your first year on tour.
              think M wie has to go a long way to even get near Ochoa record of wins and places when she was 18.
              cheers
              bill

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              • #37
                Re: ladies golf

                Ok good point... But who's to say that Wie won't surpass them in Majors? And nobody can deny she is destined for the Hall of Fame. She just needs a little more experience...

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                • #38
                  Re: ladies golf

                  hi cyc
                  if people stop playing with her head and let her finish her studies at Stamford. then she can work on her golf. at the moment she had two many other things going on and golf is taking second place. Leadbetter wanted her to do more work on her swing and play less in comps but her family and Nike want to keep her in the limelight.
                  i think she has great possibility's but if you look around there are so many wonderful young girls now playing on the LPGA and she has to be able to compete with them week on week first. by that i mean get in to the top 20 finishes most matches and then to the top 10. then after a year or two playing at the top level then we will see if she does have the potential we all have heard about.
                  i think she misses the learning curve of playing against the best women each week and has to learn that sharpness the best women have and until she does we wont know if she is the real deal.
                  cheers
                  bill

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                  • #39
                    Re: ladies golf

                    I heard that Nike and Sony had given Wie $10M... Sheesh, game over, commercialism has triumphed and she's got it made already... This is just like placing the proverbial cart before the horse.

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                    • #40
                      Re: ladies golf

                      hi cyc
                      she was given $10m a few years ago before she was 17 and gets a percentage of her clothing range sales as well as as being paid to appear at there launch and promo days.
                      i read she had been paid another $2m to promote there new clothing range for 2008.
                      she is a marketable commodity and Nike are using the publicity of her playing on the mens tour to promote her range of clothing.
                      Nike (Sony) are a major sponsor at the event she plays and thats how she gets an invite.
                      cheers
                      bill

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                      • #41
                        Re: ladies golf

                        Unfortunately Bill I think she is getting bad advice.

                        Management are looking at the immediate and not the big picture.

                        If the focus was more on her golf she would be better off in the long run both, game and financially. WIE turned pro too soon.

                        Through the media I have heard of other stories - successful. Both women and men stayed amatuer (can't spell) longer and reaped the rewards of playing golf amongst their peers. This has held most in good stead when turned pro.

                        Have I explained myself - I am having a blonde moment......

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                        • #42
                          Re: ladies golf

                          hi
                          i don't know if you can really say she is a pro as she don't hold a playing card at the moment and only plays at invited games. she is a pro as in she takes any moneys paid.
                          she have been at college this year and her golf has been second to her study.
                          next year she will have to go to Q-school and even if she gets her card she still has a year of work at college so don't know is she will give it 100% next year.
                          i do agree she has had some bad advice and has not lived up to the hype. i knew David Leadbetter has been pulling out his hair with some of the advice she has got and has wanted to work on parts of her swing rather than play in the 6 mens games she had to play in.
                          at the moment her games inconsistent with one good round and one bad round. i think when she does get on tour she will find it hard for the first few years as Tiger did.
                          the think with the ladies tour there are so many really good women playing just now and the top 10 women are playing some really wonderful rounds of golf, when M Wie does get on tour she has so many top women golfer all pushing to be number 1 and she will have one hell of a fight on her hands to even be in the top 10 in the first two years on tour.
                          cheers
                          bill

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                          • #43
                            Re: ladies golf

                            Bill,

                            A side issue and being female - I tend to read plenty into things.

                            It still stuns me she was disqualified for not signing her card. I have never heard of that in pro womens golf before.

                            Being a low marker I always make sure my card and playing partners cards have both signatures and h'caps (latter not applic to pro's I know).

                            How is it her peers let her get disqualified.....? My perception is there is a message in that.

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                            • #44
                              Re: ladies golf

                              I think Nicole is onto something - TW played amongst (and dominated) his peers at the amateur level; the guys you whup in the US and Brit AMs don't forget it when you go pro.

                              Nobody's 'afraid' of the big, bad Wiesy, because she's done nothing but flounder on Tour and disrespect the long-standing face(s) of LPGA golf.

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                              • #45
                                Re: ladies golf

                                Originally posted by vp27519 View Post
                                Bill,

                                A side issue and being female - I tend to read plenty into things.

                                It still stuns me she was disqualified for not signing her card. I have never heard of that in pro womens golf before.

                                Being a low marker I always make sure my card and playing partners cards have both signatures and h'caps (latter not applic to pro's I know).

                                How is it her peers let her get disqualified.....? My perception is there is a message in that.
                                And dont the guys/gals in the card returns hut check all of this before the players leave?

                                I really dont understand why cyc has decided that Wie is going to be a hall of famer. Whats is based on, hype?
                                Come back to us when she has proven herself on any tour, then at least she can be compared to her peers. Yeah when she was younger she was seen as this prodigy, but she hasnt moved on at all since then.

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