No More Lessons!!!

[BrianW]

Re: No More Lessons!!!

Martin,

Someone has to try and lighten this up. I don't really want to make a personal attack but come on mate! Just give a little and try to accept that there may be valid opposing opinions, your postings just keep on and on saying you are correct and other views are ill considered and irrational, you have not taken on board a single opposing view from anyone in any post I have read from you.

Your view is very one dimensional and you appear not to have the capacity to walk a mile in another mans moccasins. I for one will not contribute to your postings until I can see a more concilitory Martin emerging, a Martin that is more multi-faceted and interesting.

[jbrunk]

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I think we are talking about learning how to play golf. The concept of good or bad doesn't apply here. I strive to play good golf. I can hit my 7 iron 120 yards just as well as I can hit it 150 yards so I don't see your point there. Compressing the ball is a function of the ball's compressibility and depends largely on the quality of contact between the clubhead and the ball. Compressing the ball is not a function of the technique used to swing the club. Swing and miss Martin.

If you are unable to compress the ball like the pros do, then perhaps you should review your method for achieving the intended result. I suggest focusing exclusively on making proper contact without regard for the technique you use to achieve that. If you do not know by now, proper contact will transmit much more power to the ball than otherwise therefore it will compress the ball much more than otherwise as well.



I simply disagree with your three imperatives and I've shown clearly the reasons why I disagree.

You may not understand because proper contact for you was implied, not explicit. For me, proper contact is always explicit.

Compressing the golf ball is the result of a descending blow created by CLUBHEAD LAG AND A FLAT LEFT WRIST AT IMPACT. That is fine if you disagree, but that doesn't mean you are not wrong. And, you are wrong BTW. I understand proper contact just fine, and, I could post pics from Hogan, Trevino, Miller, Niclaus, Tiger etc........to prove my point, that is, if I thought that the facts actually mattered to you.

[Martin Levac]

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Compressing the golf ball is the result of a descending blow created by CLUBHEAD LAG AND A FLAT LEFT WRIST AT IMPACT. That is fine if you disagree, but that doesn't mean you are not wrong. And, you are wrong BTW. I understand proper contact just fine, and, I could post pics from Hogan, Trevino, Miller, Niclaus, Tiger etc........to prove my point, that is, if I thought that the facts actually mattered to you.

Writing in capital letters will not help your argument if it's erroneous to begin with. If the ball is not struck, it will not compress. If the ball is struck very hard, it will compress a lot. If the ball is struck at all, it will still compress, just not as much as a lot and more than not at all. The strength of impact has absolutely nothing to do with the technique used to produce the impact in question. The strength of impact has everything to do with its own quality.

If you would just read the laws of the universe, you would find that my arguments are correct and that it is your arguments that are wrong. Read this one to start with: Colliding Bodies and the Conservation of Momentum. Please take note that in all demonstrations of this law, there is no schematic that demonstrates a player swinging a club to strike a ball, all there is is one object striking another.

Let me explain in layman's terms, what this law of the universe means as it applies to the interaction between the golf club and the golf ball. Center contact means that no power is lost so that the ball will be compressed more than off-center contact. It also means that for the same quality of contact, a stronger contact will compress the ball more than a weaker contact. It also means that the method used to produce this contact is irrelevant.

And what does compressing the ball have anything to do with playing golf? Drive for show and putt for dough, as they say. Seems like putting does not compress the ball one bit and it is part of the game. Nevertheless, proper contact with that club is just as important than with any other club and perhaps even more so than any other club.

Let's look at putting for a moment. It appears that there is a multitude of methods used by the pros on the tour right now. Maybe it's just me but I think that the pros have the right idea otherwise they would not be pros to begin with. What if putting was so important to them that they used whatever technique they could use no matter how it looked but still produced the intended result? What a concept. Dont you think that if we applied this same concept to the full swing, we'd end up producing the intended result?

[shootin4par]

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I can hit balls with my right hand only, but my left wrist is not flat It is not even on the club.
yes of course the only thing is proper contact. and you can have no lag, a bent left wrist, etc.... But, to achieve consistency with those things would be difficult. imo, you do not bave to have those three imparitves to hit a good shot, but if you want consistency I would believe that it would be hard to be consistent without them. So yes, contact is the supreme ruler, consistent contact is right behind, so how do we do that?

[Martin Levac]

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I can hit balls with my right hand only, but my left wrist is not flat It is not even on the club.
yes of course the only thing is proper contact. and you can have no lag, a bent left wrist, etc.... But, to achieve consistency with those things would be difficult. imo, you do not bave to have those three imparitves to hit a good shot, but if you want consistency I would believe that it would be hard to be consistent without them. So yes, contact is the supreme ruler, consistent contact is right behind, so how do we do that?

The answer is simple: Practice. But we don't want to do that so we choose to ignore the old adage and prefer to believe in all kinds of wonderful techniques that will give us skill for free.

Technique is fine but it will never replace practice. Because it is through practice that technique was discovered in the first place.

[jbrunk]

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Writing in capital letters will not help your argument if it's erroneous to begin with. If the ball is not struck, it will not compress. If the ball is struck very hard, it will compress a lot. If the ball is struck at all, it will still compress, just not as much as a lot and more than not at all. That is obvious. The strength of impact has absolutely nothing to do with the technique used to produce the impact in question. The strength of impact has everything to do with its own quality.

If you would just read the laws of the universe, you would find that my arguments are correct and that it is your arguments that are wrong. Read this one to start with: Colliding Bodies and the Conservation of Momentum. Also known as lag or lag loading, i.e. what I have been saying. Please take note that in all demonstrations of this law, there is no schematic that demonstrates a player swinging a club to strike a ball, all there is is one object striking another.

Let me explain in layman's terms, what this law of the universe means as it applies to the interaction between the golf club and the golf ball. Center contact means that no power is lost so that the ball will be compressed more than off-center contact. It also means that for the same quality of contact, a stronger contact will compress the ball more than a weaker contact. It also means that the method used to produce this contact is irrelevant.

And what does compressing the ball have anything to do with playing golf? Again, I don't know what to say. See ummm, all the great players who ever lived. Drive for show and putt for dough, as they say. Seems like putting does not compress the ball one bit and it is part of the game. Not even relevant to this discussion. Nevertheless, proper contact with that club is just as important than with any other club and perhaps even more so than any other club.

Let's look at putting for a moment. It appears that there is a multitude of methods used by the pros on the tour right now. Maybe it's just me but I think that the pros have the right idea otherwise they would not be pros to begin with. What if putting was so important to them that they used whatever technique they could use no matter how it looked but still produced the intended result? What a concept. Dont you think that if we applied this same concept to the full swing, we'd end up producing the intended result?

Are you for real? I hope and pray for your sake, and your golf game's sake, that this is a joke and you have been pulling my leg all day.

[jbrunk]

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I can hit balls with my right hand only, but my left wrist is not flat It is not even on the club. Do you hit full shots like that?
yes of course the only thing is proper contact. and you can have no lag, a bent left wrist, etc.... But, to achieve consistency with those things would be difficult. imo, you do not bave to have those three imparitves to hit a good shot, but if you want consistency I would believe that it would be hard to be consistent without them. So yes, contact is the supreme ruler, consistent contact is right behind, so how do we do that?

Of course I am talking about learning to play good golf. I assumed thats what we are talking about here. Good golf implies consistency IMO.

[BrianW]

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Joshua,

Just leave it, it's a waste of time mate, join me in the Martin Persona Non Grata club, it grows by the week.

[Scragger63]

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Hmmm...

Learning to play Golf is easy. Get some clubs, start at first tee box, hit the ball with whatever club you like, walk, find ball hit it again, repeat until ball is in hole, write down number of strokes taken.

Repeat 17 more times at consecutively numbered holes.

When finished 18 holes, add up score. This bit is sometimes optional

There. How simple is that...

The hard part, and more than likely the reason we are all here is that once learned, we are all trying to MASTER the various aspects of golf, full swing, pitch swing, chip swing, putting stroke, rules and interpretation to name in my mind the key 5, and I'm sure there are others.

For me, I'm simply a jack of all trades and a master of none......

The one over riding thing about golf for me is ENJOYMENT, doing the best I can within my own known limitations.

Is it possible to practice enjoyment.....

Cheers

[Martin Levac]

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Are you for real? I hope and pray for your sake, and your golf game's sake, that this is a joke and you have been pulling my leg all day.

The obvious was not so obvious to you earlier. Conservation of Momentum refers to something entirely different than lag or lag loading.

The more out of context you quote me, the more irrelevant your reply becomes. Please quote and reply to the entire text.

The example here:

"And what does compressing the ball have anything to do with playing golf? Again, I don't know what to say. See ummm, all the great players who ever lived."

The text in black is mine, the text in red is yours. You reply to the first sentence while disregarding the rest of the paragraph. That's called quoting out of context. It becomes so much more out of context when you follow up by writing that putting, the subject of the paragraph you disregarded, is irrelevant to this discussion. Which is it? Is it relevant or not? If it is irrelevant, please disregard the first sentence as well. I'm certain that I know how to write and I can assure you that I put that first sentence in that paragraph for a reason.

[Martin Levac]

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Joshua,

Just leave it, it's a waste of time mate, join me in the Martin Persona Non Grata club, it grows by the week.

Brian, this shows exactly what subject you wish to discuss. I ask you to stop now, please. Thank you.

[slater170]

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why dont you attempt to practice what you preach martin?
you obviously dont judging by the swing video you have posted in the past.
i admire somebody with a wide vocabulary but your tone always comes over as patronising.
the fact that you never can see anybody elses opinion and try to always have the last word marks you down as a meglomaniac!

[jambalaya]

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Joshua,

Just leave it, it's a waste of time mate, join me in the Martin Persona Non Grata club, it grows by the week.

No, don't leave it. I am quite enjoying myself. Funny stuff.

[Martin Levac]

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why dont you attempt to practice what you preach martin?
you obviously dont judging by the swing video you have posted in the past.
i admire somebody with a wide vocabulary but your tone always comes over as patronising.
the fact that you never can see anybody elses opinion and try to always have the last word marks you down as a meglomaniac!

What exactly do I preach? And what is it from what I preach that I don't practice in the videos you've observed?

If you read carefully the details of each video, you will notice that I practice exactly what I preach: Proper contact. In both cases, dead center.

I bear to disagree with your observation:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/megalomaniac

Please note the definition, it's obviously not what you think it is. You may persist in discussing my person but at some point, the moderator will intervene and I'm sure that nobody here wants that.

I will put the question to you now, why don't you address the subject of this thread?

[slater170]

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What exactly do I preach? And what is it from what I preach that I don't practice in the videos you've observed?

If you read carefully the details of each video, you will notice that I practice exactly what I preach: Proper contact. In both cases, dead center.

I bear to disagree with your observation:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/megalomaniac

Please note the definition, it's obviously not what you think it is. You may persist in discussing my person but at some point, the moderator will intervene and I'm sure that nobody here wants that.

I will put the question to you now, why don't you address the subject of this thread?

i did address the subject i posted a reply early on in the thread offering encouragement to the originator.
i might have the wrong word i thought it defined " a person with delusions of grandeur"