My free online review of the golf swing

[jambalaya]

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Learning a golf swing is a personal journey for us all shootin. You say you got nothing out of the many golf books you've read but I would dispute that statement. If nothing else it served as a process of elimination for you. It probably has helped you to hone your own personal philosophy more than you realize. Many times when I read golf instructions and tips I end up getting something out of other than what was intended. As for Jeff's work, I think it will be helpful.

[shootin4par]

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as long as I dont disrupt I guess responding woudl be ok
lowpost, I agree with what you said 100% Good job of giving me a dose of reality

[billneurauter]

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I'm someone who spends a lot of time reading posts here but does not post often. Great site Jeff, you took the best instruction from the best teachers and meshed it all together. Although everyone is entitled to their opinion I wouldn't give much credence to the thought of shootin.

But that would be false cause I got two golf swings in my back pocket that I could play with and I would never shoot above an 80 if I dedicated myself to either of those swings, but I want to hit the ball 300+ on the fly with little effort, so I choose to not use either of those swings and work towards the swing I want.

I think we could all make this same statement. If I had the time to dedicate to any swing I'd think I could break 80 with it every time out. The bottom line is that most of us don't have that kind of time to dedicate to a golf swing.

It's agreed that it's the fudamentals that we grow from and your website is full of them. It's in experimentation that we grow. I could easily consider all of the books I've read in the past to be a waste because I'm not a scratch golfer but I learned a little bit from each one. It doesn't matter if I learned something from the book that I employ in my swing or if I learned about something I don't want in my swing. The bottom line is that I tried it and learned something from it. It's in learning from both the positives and negatives that create a better golfer and swing in my mind.

Either way it's a great site and something I will visit often.

Bill

[jcbdb]

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I have been off the site for some time and this was the first thread I have read since.

A real shame to come back to see the same "schoolboy" comments which from recollection led to a person, whose advice I greatly respected, leaving this site for good.

Is this not a site that for like minded golfers to share experiences and give help to others?

P.S Jeff - you have obviously put some effort into this and I will bookmark and will definitely be taking a closer look soon!

[tony_teetime]

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jeff, you asked so I will give
this website looks to me like a cut and paste. very vague and general information that you can find in most books. it looks like a compilation of most books. what I would say is if you dont understand G!, which many golfers dont, then you dont understand the swing, which most golf instructors dont. while most people will enjoy the initial reading, there is very little real substance. So most people who read this will not make much of a gain, but some may. I was once a "know it all" when it came to the golf swing, but the more I realized what the golf swing was all about, the less I claim to know. that is my opinion but when it all comes down to it I really dont know a whole lot. You asked for opinions, that is mine, I would also say do more research and learn to understand people like G1, but that is only my perception, I could be totally wrong

I agree with you shotting4par.

Jeff, I know you have good intention and want to help golfers and I applaud you for that.

I took a brief look at your site and from what I gather is there is too much information. There are diffrerent philosphies of the swing in your research, and when one try to put it all together to make sense, it only confuses more. Another word, too many cooks spoils the soup.

It's ok to sough out ideas from many teaching philosphies, but you have to take those ideas and field test them "yourself" . Hit plenty of balls while trying that particular idea or swing philosophy, only then you can decide if something is worth keeping or just plain garbage.

I just never like the idea of mixing and matching different philosophies as in your compilation of ideas and different teachings on your site. It's best to chose just one or two swing philosophies which are similar. Test them out and then draw your own conclusion. After you have filter out the info, then share your beliefs and philosophies with other.

Remember, it's not about gathering enough info to proove your point or proove this is how a swing suppose to be done. Anyone can pull up info or data to support a theory, but it's about testing out different philosophies for yourself and coming to your own conclusion and developing your own theories.

Again , this is not a knock on your part. I believe you have good intention.

[Jeff Mann]

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Tony,

My review is based on a single swing ideology. I selectively referenced those different golf instructors (eg. Leadbetter/McLean) and golf researchers (SLAP) because they are ALL essentially saying the SAME thing. I have field tested innumerable ways of swinging a golf club. I finally decided on a single swing style that I like best (modern, total body golf swing style) and my review reflects that swing style. If you think that I have "mixed" different swing ideologies in my review, then I would like to see you quote a few examples of that phenomenon.

Jeff.

[bruin]

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jeff
since joining gto several weeks ago , and visiting your site ,i at last get the idea of the golf swing. you have filled in the missing bits and explained very well the physics of the swing.
i am putting into practice what i read , and so far so good.i will attempt to video my swing when i am sure my swing is constant .
many thanks for massive effort in producing a great site

[shootin4par]

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I'm someone who spends a lot of time reading posts here but does not post often. Great site Jeff, you took the best instruction from the best teachers and meshed it all together. Although everyone is entitled to their opinion I wouldn't give much credence to the thought of shootin.

I think we could all make this same statement. If I had the time to dedicate to any swing I'd think I could break 80 with it every time out. The bottom line is that most of us don't have that kind of time to dedicate to a golf swing.

bill,
what I meant when I said dedicate was not that I would hit balls every day, that is not the context I meant it in. WIth a pure hitting motion where I use right arm only, left hand just rides along, and practicising once a week, playing once a week, and having that be my swing for the next few months or more, that is what I mean by dedicate. If I choose to accept that swing I would not have to work much on it at all, just more of a tune up. But, that swing lacks the distance I desire so I am dedicated to swingng a different way, one that takes longer to get down, but not necessarily meaning that I will hit balls 4 days a week. I am just dedicated to this swing when I go to the range,

[shootin4par]

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Tony,

My review is based on a single swing ideology. I selectively referenced those different golf instructors (eg. Leadbetter/McLean) and golf researchers (SLAP) because they are ALL essentially saying the SAME thing. I have field tested innumerable ways of swinging a golf club. I finally decided on a single swing style that I like best (modern, total body golf swing style) and my review reflects that swing style. If you think that I have "mixed" different swing ideologies in my review, then I would like to see you quote a few examples of that phenomenon.

Jeff.

was snead a total body swinger?

[Jeff Mann]

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Shootin4par

Snead uses a body powered swing and he is the prime example used by Hardy for his one-plane swing model, and the Hardy OPS is also a total body swing. I eventually plan to write about the differences between Hardy's OPS swing and the Tiger Woods style swing (modern, total body swing). The main difference is that Hardy OPS golfers (like Snead) swing around a centralised spinal axis with little weight shift. They do not have the large hip shift in the downswing that is part of Tiger Woods hip shift-rotation movement. Therefore, the clubhead swingarc is more rounded and more in-to-in.

Jeff.

[shootin4par]

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did snead double cross? if so or if not why? Does tiger, why? why would you want to swing in to in, wouldnt going down the line longer lead to better consistency? I thought on the one plane method it was more roatary, in square in, but snead is the model and he goes down the line more? Not sure what you mean by snead using a body powered swing but you say he shifts his hips and weight very little? sneads weight shifts very little but yet he lifts his left heel at the top of the backswing? so he uses his hips very little, turns his shoulder very little in the follow through, chest faces target, but yet his swing is body powered? so he uses the body very little but the swing is body powered, well that would say to me he would not hit it that far? why did snead hit is so far then? snead was very long in his era. why are people so caught up with tigers swing, it is the deal but yet is inconsistent? puts excess strain on the spine by torquing the shoulders against the hips, etc...

By Jim mclean from golf digest, lets highlight some interesting points and see if any of them contradict The one plane method
Some have said he was the greatest athlete ever to pick up a golf club. Some say he was the greatest player of all time. Some refer to his 81 victories on the PGA Tour, the most ever. Some say his shooting under his age in a PGA Tour event was the most amazing fact (a 66 at age 67). Some might argue it was that he shot 60 at age 71 on the challenging, par-72 Upper Cascades course. It's hard to hang one tag on Sam Snead, but if I had to, I believe it would be "He had the sweetest swing in the history of the game."
In this article you'll see the great moves and perfect positions of The Slammer in a sequence photographed at The Greenbrier and published here for the first time, courtesy of his son Jack. Words can't describe Sam's fluid tempo, his awesome power. For anyone who ever saw him play, you know what I mean. You simply had to see it.
Sam's ageless swing surely speaks for itself, but allow me to point out some of his signature positions, like the famous "sit-down" move shown above. Many of today's tour players study this move. Nobody did it better. Notice also his one-piece takeaway, the powerful coil, how his left wrist, arm and clubface are in line at the top. See how his right arm is in the perfect "throw" position on the way down. Note how his right heel is slightly up at impact, his weight well on his left side. And finally, the classic Sam Snead finish. There is no telling how many golfers have attempted to copy some or all of Snead's swing action. For sure, the list includes many of the game's greatest modern players.
After all, how can anyone not learn something from the sweetest swing of them all

so people can see the swing I am reffering too
http://golfdigest.com/instruction/sw...8samsnead.html

[BrianW]

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It is a wise man that can question his own words and consider that others also deserve their view.

BrianW

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Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.

Max Uhrmann

[shootin4par]

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It is a wise man that can question his own words and consider that others also deserve their view.

BrianW

understood,
when someone says that snead had little weight shift yet his left heel lifts on the way back and right heel before impact on the way down, I believe that needs to be questioned. People are here to learn and if something is false, the truth needs to be shown? a cow is a cow, does not matter how I interpertate it. Sneads swing is sneads swing, not what I interpertate it to be.

[BrianW]

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Rolling of the wrists: I think the way or amount of rolling required is related to the type of swing used. As Cmays says there are different types of swings that suit different body types.

Where someone cups their left wrist back at the top they need to roll their forearms to return the clubface square, the face at the top is at around 110 degrees open and to return this square requires more than uncocking the wrists it requires the forearms to roll, but can generate some additional head speed for those with less strength as the 110 deg is released.

The square swing keeps the left wrist flat or sometimes a little bowed downward at the top, the face is square to swing arc creating around 90 deg of head rotation, this can be squared at impact by uncocking the wrists. To generate good head speed it suits the stronger person but it is easier to square the club face.

[Jeff Mann]

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Shootin4par

I don't understand what you are trying to say about Sam Snead.

I know that he kicked his left knee inwards and lifted his left heel in the backswing, but I don't think that it implies anything about weight shift.

Here is an animated gif sequence of Sam Snead's swing.

See - http://www.gormangolftours.com/Anima...adbackcopy.gif

He is the prototypical Hardy one planer swinger. Note his rounded swing - in square-in. Note his inwards-directed followthrough and how low his clubshaft exits above his left torso. Note how his right elbow hugs the right hip area in the mid-late downswing.

Here is another image that shows how centralised Snead was when in the "sitting position" (early downswing) compared to Hogan.

See - http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/Go...eadSitDown.jpg

Jeff.