Stupid Video Swing Recording!

[Jeff Mann]

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Matt

If you look at your swing in post 23, you looked like you are playing baseball. You were turning your shoulders horizontally around a centralised spine. Because you are very flexible, you can easy turn your shoulders 90 degrees when your spine is straight, and you look like your upper body (from about the lower sternum region) is disconnected from your lower body. You will find that if your tilt your spine to the right when performing the same shoulder turn, that you will be more restricted in your upper body turn, and that as you rotate your shoulders it will increase your spine tilt to the right. That's what you need to feel in your backswing.

If you can shorten your backswing like the image in your latest post, that would be an amazing achievement.

Jeff.

[Matt10]

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Here is the latest. I really focused on removing the reverse pivot. Now, it seems like my next problem is the start of the downswing. Trying my best to start it with a hip rotation or hip slide - both didn't seem to keep the lag in my wrists. However, I did hit some pretty nice balls with my 5I and Driver.

Apologize for the video size download.

Stream:

http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...urrent=bah.flv

Download:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VAA6QR00

[Jeff Mann]

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Matt - I cannot download the video for some reason and I therefore cannot analyse it using my swing analyser program.

Looking at your video online, I like the way you make sure that your spine is pre-tilted to the right at address. It definitely seems to be helping eliminate the reverse pivot problem. It also looks like your upper and lower body are better connected/synchronised in the downswing, but I need to run it through my swing analyser program to be sure. I noticed that your hands are outside the right foot at the end of the backswing when using the five iron, which is great.

How is your ball flight and distance?

Jeff.

[Matt10]

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Thanks Jeff.

Ball flight with both clubs is a slight fade - no slicing with my driver, which was nice. Something I notice about my practice swing and my regular swing is that my practice swing gets to the point of the backswing that I want to on my regular swing.

I really like the ball filght on my 5I, it starts off lower than usual then climbs - something I've never been able to do. I believe the thought of erasing the reverse pivot will completely rebuild my swing for the better - I'm pretty excited to say the least.

I'll make sure to upload the file to another place when I get back from class.

[Matt10]

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Download Link Added.

[Matt10]

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I was re-reading Hogan's 5-Lessons book and I found something that might help me.

At address, would it help if I positioned my elbows closer together, like how he mentions in his book?

from: http://www.golfswinginstruction.co.u...olf-swing.html

...wrote that he often liked to imagine that his arms were bound together as he set up to the ball, the elbows gently squeezed in towards one another (i.e. pointing at the hips).

Hogan believed this promoted the most efficient arm and hand action, giving him a real sense of extension at the set-up that maximised his leverage and - ultimately - his clubhead speed when he returned to the ball at impact.

I feel this could give me my shorter and compact swing that I really need to get right.

[shootin4par]

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if you want to rotate the left arm a lot on the way back then have the left elbow point at the left hip. If you dont want to have to rotate it much have it point more towards the target. right elbow at right hip either way
if you know what the body does you can make adjustments to suit your swing.
but dont be fooled by the quote you gave of hogan, his point was that is how far apart the arms stay through the swing, is how far apart you had them at set up. this does not mean you squaeze them close at set up.

[Jeff Mann]

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Matt - There is no advantage to holding the upper arms together like that. The right elbow has to fold in the backswing and one cannot maintain that relationship. Interestingly, film footage of Ben Hogan has shown that he doesn't really keep his arms like that in his real life swings.

The main thing is to avoid getting your hands inside of your right foot at the end of the backswing. You have a very aggressive hip transition move in the dowswing and your arms/hands cannot keep up if they first have to move to the right before they can move forward towards the target. The fact that your hands first move right (away from the target), before they can move down and forward, predisposes to casting - because of the sudden change of direction and uncocking of the wrists with the change in direction. I get the impression that you are casting more with your driver than your five iron (because your hands were outside your right foot when using the five iron).

I still cannot access your videos.

Jeff.

[Matt10]

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Ah, I see.I was going to say the same thing - I didn't see antyhing about Hogan's arms being together. I'll try to remember my hands need to stay outside the right foot.

Jeff, the download link has been reposted at the top. Click on the link - then it will lead to the page, by the big lettering: MEGAUPLOAD - you will see the code that needs to be put in the box beside the code, do so then click download.

I apologize in advance if you already know how to do so, my usual download provider isn't working right now, so I had to google something else.

[Jeff Mann]

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Matt - I eventually downloaded the video.


Bad news! You are not going to like what I found. It certainly proves to me that it is impossible to judge a swing accurately without moving it frame-by-frame using a Swing Analyser program. When watching your video at full speed online, I thought that you were not reverse pivoting as much as before and had less casting, but I was wrong.


See - http://jeffmann.net/MTa.jpg


Image 1 and 2 - end-backswing with your driver. You are reverse pivoting and overswinging to a marked degree. Your clubshaft is even going far across the line at the top.


Image 3 - your downswing is far worse than before. You have lost your good downswing hip movement. You have come OTT because you moved your shoulders first. Note that the shoulders are as square as the hips and note that you have thrown your hands forward over the toe line. That causes your clubshaft to be above your hands, instead of behind your hands, and your clubshaft is descending down to the ball along a too-steep path. Image 4 - face-on view shows that you have casted and that your right elbow is not even close to your right hip. The only way to prevent casting is to fulfill a number of conditions: i) the hands must be outside the right foot at the end of the backswing; ii) the downswing must start with a hip shift-rotation that rapidly drops your right elbow down to the right side; iii) the wrists/hands must be totally passive and there must be no active unhinging of the right wrist.

Image 5 - shows that you are even casting when using the five iron. You are also coming OTT and your right elbow is floating high above the right hip.


See AB's good downswing move - http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/AB-Clubshaftback.jpg


Note that the right elbow moves rapidly down to the right hip area as the hips square, but the shoulders are still back. Note that the right wrist is unhinged and the right elbow is still at 90 degrees, and that there is no casting (the clubshaft is still at 90 degrees to the left forearm).


I don't have the expertise to tell you how to correct your problems of reverse pivoting, overswinging and incorrectly starting the downswing with an upper body, rather than a lower body, move. It took me 3 months of frequent practice (3x per week) to learn how to start my downswing with a hip shift-rotation move, and another 3 months to get it under control so that I didn't slide my hips.


Jeff.

[Jeff Mann]

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Another point - note that you have lifted your right heel in the early downswing. The right heel should only lift up in the later downswing when the hips have opened up a lot, and the forward movement of the right pelvis causes the heel to lift up. However, your pelvis is stil square and there is no evidence of weight transfer to the left side. I therefore conclude that the lifting up of the right heel is due to the fact that you have come OTT and thrown your weight forward over your toes.

Jeff.

[Matt10]

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Jeff and everyone,

I just wanted to say thanks for all your help so far. I've decided the type of swing Jeff writes about is not for me. I have alot of problem trying to achieve it, that I just don't seem to be enjoying the game or the process.

I've decided to restart and find the swing that suits me - and that is the Mike Austin golf swing, the same that Shootin has spoken about. I feel it's right up my alley in the fact that I used to play competitive tennis and baseball.

I took the methods to the driving range yesterday. I've never hit my irons as pure as I did, and I never hit my driver so well either. Since my swing speed has seemed to increase, I've contemplated going back to my 8.5* Cleveland Launcher - that will be a good test.

I love how simple Mike Austin's method is, the only thing I have to think about on my swing is just to be smooth, the feeling is just effortless power, because everything just flows. The things that are covered in the DVD I received make complete sense, and I figure MA used to be an expert in not only the golf-game, but kiniseology as well, so there's another plus. Mike Dunaway is a long-drive champion, that interests me too as I am young and am eager to drive longer and straighter.

I'm probably going to still record myself to make sure I'm not reverse-pivoting, more so compound pivoting.

Thanks again and I apologize in advance if I've wasted your time in the process of analyzing my swing, I'm grateful and look forward to many conversations to come. Take care - thread closed

[shootin4par]

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austin was longer then dunnaway Basically the austin method is about the set up and pivot, get those good and you are on your way. I still sugesst that you work on the set up stuff I posted, some of that is straight from an instructor who studied under austin for five years. And yes, it makes since to study from someone who studied the body. Mikes goal was to make an effecient swing that was easy on the body. Isnt it amazing how short austins follow through it, but yet he drove it so far? Good luck on it, it takes time but becomes easier. Today I hit the three purest left arm only swings to date

[Matt10]

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I'm no where near ready to hit left arm shots there, Shootin - ask the guy who was standing to the right of me...

I think I've got the set-up down, now it's just a matter of making sure I've got the right idea of the pivot - Im going to record my swing to make sure. My other concern is keeping my head behind the ball, eitherway I'm feeling really good about things so far.

By the way, Shootin, how come on the MA boards everything is so complex? I've read pretty much every thread so far and it just seems some get it and some don't, but overall some are just overanalyzing the swing a bit too much in my opinion.

Another thing, where is TD? He still hasn't let me registered yet,bah!

[shootin4par]

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easy questions first, TD is a very unique person and does things at a diffferent pace the most of socioty. He does not check email much, answer the phone that much, he just goes with the flow and if he happens to be away from the site for a few days or a week, no big deal. He will get you in there.

why is it so complex. To expalin a motion is more complex then doing it. You say you play tennis, please explain the backstroke pivot and then the forward stroke pivot. While the explanations on there are complex, they are explaining the actions but you do not think about that when you swing a tennis racket, or the golf swing. I can talk about lag, accumalators, planes, pivot, rft, stt, hinges, cupped, cocked, clubface rotation, kinetic energy, etx..... but that does not mean I think about much during the swing. It has helped me to learn what works and why, that is why I can hit balls with three swings even though two of those I rarely practice. WHen you know what happens and why it happens you can free your mind and let it happen.

Do you have the slight ab contraction down and do it on every shot, that one is important for balance.

Head behind the ball, I guarentee you dont think of that in tennis or baseball but perform it well in both of those, get the pivot right and the head willl stay where it should. Get away from the camera for a while and just play, hit balls, and have fun. The ball will tell you all you need to know
good luck in the journey and enjoy it
seeker