No-Backswing Swing...

[shootin4par]

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we could always try putting our club in impact position and moving forward from there. we should be able to obtain a good path that way and eliminate an outside in swing

[tony_teetime]

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we could always try putting our club in impact position and moving forward from there. we should be able to obtain a good path that way and eliminate an outside in swing

Good sarcasm, thanks for the laugh

[AFilbrun]

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Here's what I think:

Because you start 3/4 back, there is less of a chance you start the swing with the hands. So in this drill, all you do is finish the turn back and maybe a little wrist set. This is a huge benifit to those that cast or have over active hands. The thought now is to rotate back to start and the hands/wrists take a back seat and go for the ride.

Thanks. That's kind of what got me interested in the first place since I have been struggling with overly active hands...I don't view it as a cure...but possibly a temporary fix if I've struggling in a round (and can live with the strange looks I'm sure to get from other golfers).

[GregJWillis]

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Drills are drills and they usually are not meant to be a final solutions. They teach by feel and sometimes visually, but the idea is there...isolated in it's own little world.

If it takes you 1 swing to engrain the idea, or 1000...who cares. As long as after the training period is over, you are able to do what the drill was suppoed to demonstrate without thinking about it anymore.

So play on the course with the drill for as long as you want, I will bet you will eventually return back to a normal swing AND do this new swing correctly.

[AFilbrun]

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Good point and thanks for the encouragement...

[jbrunk]

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we could always try putting our club in impact position and moving forward from there. we should be able to obtain a good path that way and eliminate an outside in swing

Or swing standing on our head, but why make things more difficult.


Signed,



Mandrin

[RandomHero1090]

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Old stuff, New Dressing:

Andrew Mullin, Columbus, Ga. Swing From the Top.

"Hardest thing for a golfer is to swing back and then forward."

Most golfers screw the swing up in the 1st 18 inches of their swing.

DEAD ON cmays.... You have to get the club in the right position on the BACKSWING to have a proper DOWNSWING.

Greg hit the nail on the head as always. It's a drill that will help teach the proper positions of the golf swing.

I would practice like this; Rehearse your backswing and pause at the top. If you are not in the proper positons, make adjustments and remember what was wrong (ie: bowed left wrist, flared right elbow, weight stuck on left side, etc, etc). Return the club to address and try again. You will figure out HOW to get the club to the right positon at the top. Once you can do it, say, 5 times in a row, try hitting a ball from the "static" position. Even if you have to "pump" to get the downswing started. Basically what that Medicus club makes you do OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER....

...and James.Welsh was pointing out the fact that Zach Johnson use a very short backswing with his driver to hit A LOT of fairways. Hmmmmm...did he win or something?

Short and sweet....

[kbp]

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Baseball pitchers wind up (equivilant to a backswing), before delivering a pitch....

But the BATTER starts at the top with no backswing. They’’re the ones HITTING the ball.

I agree Tony - starting from a static position certainly eliminates the idea of rhythm or flow.

There are plenty of baseball hitters with GREAT rhythm and flow. MANY mechanical similarities between the golf swing and a baseball swing.

I wouldn't play that way, but all we have so far is anecdotal evidence as to why it wouldn’t work.

[dannyra]

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But the BATTER starts at the top with no backswing. They’’re the ones HITTING the ball.
There are plenty of baseball hitters with GREAT rhythm and flow. MANY mechanical similarities between the golf swing and a baseball swing.

I wouldn't play that way, but all we have so far is anecdotal evidence as to why it wouldn’t work.

I was going to say the same thing.

One of the younger players on tour did play pretty much this way for 2 tournaments last year due to a wrist injury. I believe he made the cut both tournaments.


I think there are some things that got lost in the responses. This is supposedly the future of the golf swing not a drill. And your not playing with a 3/4 swing, just starting from there.

[shootin4par]

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here is a thought
a child on a swing, if you held him at 9:00 and released him from there
Or,
if he swung back to nine oclock and then went forward
does moomentum factor into either of those?

I posted on right hand versus left hand discussion about my results with a speed stick in terms of where you start from, but then again those are only my findings, each person in this life must find out what is the truth for them.

[AFilbrun]

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I was going to say the same thing.

One of the younger players on tour did play pretty much this way for 2 tournaments last year due to a wrist injury. I believe he made the cut both tournaments.


I think there are some things that got lost in the responses. This is supposedly the future of the golf swing not a drill. And your not playing with a 3/4 swing, just starting from there.

Thanks for pitching in....that's right. There wasn't much more to the article I started this thread with but I do think it mentioned that Suttie talked about this at length during the Honda Classic in Palm Beach Gardens, FL.

I think he was just making the general point that understanding the science of the swing may lead to interesting developments in the future, the no-backswing swing being one of them...

If anyone wants to read a little more...I did find these references:

"Why we don't need a backswing":

http://www.golfmagic.com/news/articl...6&v=5&UAN=5087

"From tee to cup, it's technology season":

http://www.boston.com/business/techn...nology_season/

[tony_teetime]

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But the BATTER starts at the top with no backswing. They’’re the ones HITTING the ball.

You totally missed the point of my post. The point is that "the purpose of the backswing is to create momentum" so.. why would you not want to take advantage of that in order to create more power in the swing ??

Baseball batter must be prepare to release the bat at any given moment, they can not control that therefore they setup near loaded and cock and ready to swing. Golfers have plenty of time to swing , baseball players don't . ok ?

Since golfers have plenty of time to swing , they have the luxury of taking advantage of creating momentum in the form of backswing.

Let me ask you a couple questions:

When you crack a whip , do you start at the top and crack?
or .....
Do you wind up , by pulling the handle backward to create momentum and then crack through at the target ?

Which one of those two method of cracking the whip creates more power ?

Understand momentum and you will understand how to swing the golf club with effortless power. Also understand that you must not disrupt momentum, as momentum is your friend. Take advantage of momentum and use it properly and you will be rewarded.

Learn momentum and it will allow you to be more clubhead concientious. If you are aware of the movement of the clubhead throughout the swing and understand what is needs to do ; then you will consistently deliver the face properly square at impact.

It disappoints me to see most teachers/instructors do not spend enough time teaching this momentum, but they rather spend time teaching you swing postion this and that bla bla bla.

Being in the right position but not knowing what your clubhead is doing or suppose to do is meaningless. If you understand momentum, then you will be a better player and free yourself from positional swing thoughts.

[kbp]

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With respect, I do not think you understand momentum. The concept you’re describing in cracking a whip is acceleration, not momentum, specifically centripetal acceleration.

Momentum created in the backswing acts AWAY from the target and must be stopped and controlled at the top of the swing. The minute you change direction ALL backwing momentum is lost. Period. Physics 101. Also, since a golf club is not as flexible as a whip, the contribution from backward momentum "loading" the shaft at the top is relatively small in comparison to the loading in the downswing, from a pure power standpoint. This type of loading is also very difficult to control and time when it is excessive.

But to answer your question as to why a NON-PRO would give up any power source, albeit a small one, is simple. Consistency and accuracy. Same reason we might wail full bore on a driver, but choose to give up a bit of power on a demanding wedge shot.

[tony_teetime]

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Kbp,
You still don't get it. Someday you will and that light bulb will go bright and then you will wish why you did not try to understand it earlier. I'm done with this topic.

Peace, out

[kbp]

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I’m sorry you’re done, Tony. We’ll see if you’re true to your word. Peace.

It is a common fallacy that muscles can "store" energy by being stretched like a rubber band. This has been proven to be physiologically impossible. Muscles can, however, be made taught, and ready to act and thus as soon as they are contracted, they will immediately deliver force. ie no time lost taking up slack. This is the phenomenon that, I believe, tony is referring to. It can be accomplished from a nearly static position or very a short backswing It is NOT "energy" stored from backwards momentum.

To the point of the OP. When applied properly, backwards momentum can be very helpful in smoothing out the transition and increasing speed in the swing and setting downswing path. However, if the backswing creates momentum that is not working to move the club and the body into the correct top position, or pulling the golfer off balance, it is extremely DESTRUCTIVE. This is the case with most average golfers. Their downswing is based on recovering from the destructive results of IMPROPER backswing. The OP rightly observed that removing this destructive force might benefit most golfers, as it may be preventing them from executing and learning the other correct movements. A very minor amount of (potential) speed would be lost. As the OP noted, this is of no use to someone who has a proper backswing.