drawing the ball

[killiansred]

I've been told several different things about drawing the ball, and I know basically how it works. But to hit a consistent draw off the tee, not a hook, do you hit the ball from the inside with an open face or does the draw come from the club face closing at impact.

[GregJWillis]

Re: drawing the ball

I work the inside of the ball with a square face.

[edshaw]

Re: drawing the ball

I'm pretty much alone in this opinion
here, but I believe the right to left
spin is imparted as the club face
travels towards the target line,
on an inside-out path, striking a
glancing blow. The face is square.

[LowPost42]

Re: drawing the ball

I work the inside of the ball with a square face.

I'm pretty much alone in this opinion
here, but I believe the right to left
spin is imparted as the club face
travels towards the target line,
on an inside-out path, striking a
glancing blow. The face is square.

It doesn't look like you're alone there...

But yes, you'll draw the ball as long as the face is closed relative to the swing path.

[BrianW]

Re: drawing the ball

I agree with the previous comments that clubface needs to close relative to the swingpath.

The feel I get when drawing the ball is like the toe of the club is passing the heel at impact, almost like the clubface is rolling around the ball.

Hope this helps.

[killiansred]

Re: drawing the ball

That's pretty much what i thought, but just to be sure, for my feeble minds sake, you cannot draw the ball coming from the inside with an open face. Would that be a true statement.

[Scragger63]

Re: drawing the ball

IMO, yes, you can notionally hit a draw shaped shot where the clubhead swings on an in to out path and the club face is open to target line.

The point is that that the face needs to be is closed to path whilst still open to target line. If that makes sense...

LP started a recent thread about this in here somewheres...

Cheers

[LowPost42]

Re: drawing the ball

That's pretty much what i thought, but just to be sure, for my feeble minds sake, you cannot draw the ball coming from the inside with an open face. Would that be a true statement.

That would be a true statement, open relative to path, a false statement relative to target.

As scragger said, if the face is open to target but closed to the path, the ball will draw.

[BrianW]

Re: drawing the ball

That's pretty much what i thought, but just to be sure, for my feeble minds sake, you cannot draw the ball coming from the inside with an open face. Would that be a true statement.

Ball flight will be affected by the swing path and the clubface direction. The ball will take a path between the two if they differ but will favour the clubface direction over the swingpath.

So, to answer your question: a ball struck in to out with an open face will push the ball off to the right causing a fade or slice depending on the severity of the open face.

[LowPost42]

Re: drawing the ball

Ball flight will be affected by the swing path and the clubface direction. The ball will take a path between the two if they differ but will favour the clubface direction over the swingpath.

So, to answer your question: a ball struck in to out with an open face will push the ball off to the right causing a fade or slice depending on the severity of the open face.

Qualify, Brian. Open face to the path, fade/slice. Open to target may not be open enough in regards to the path.

[BrianW]

Re: drawing the ball

Qualify, Brian. Open face to the path, fade/slice. Open to target may not be open enough in regards to the path.

Not sure what to Qualify LP? The question was whether an in to out swing with an open face would produce a draw, I answered no and tried to justify why. The in to out swing is not really relevant, the open face in relation to the swing path (in to out, out to in etc is just the target path) will affect the direction the ball takes and the side spin generated.

[kbp]

Re: drawing the ball

To clarify......Face angle relative to swing path dictates ball rotation and thus the curving action during flight. Neither the ball nor the club has any idea where the target is nor do they care.

[edshaw]

Re: drawing the ball

My position is that left to right spin
is the result of a well struck shot
rather than manipulation of either
face or attack angle, not to say
that face or attack angle may not
be used to produce the effect.
Please consider:
Fundamentally, the club head contacts
the ball with force that is the result of
three separate components.
The primary componant (1) travels
in the direction of the target, and,
its speed is in the neighborhood of
150 feet per second. When analysts
refer to club speed, this is what they
are talking about.
Two secondary componants at lesser
speeds are directed towards (2) the
ground and (3) the target line.
With respect to (3) once the clubhead
has reached the target line, the apex of
the arc, its direction reverses direction
and travels away from the target line.
When contact is made prior to the apex,
the clubhead imparts a lateral force,
providing some other conditions have
been met.

[GolfJunkieSr]

Re: drawing the ball

Does anyone have an opinion on whether, or not the brand name, manufacturing process, or the design of a club face makes shaping shots easier, and/or tougher to accomplish? How about about the many different types of shafts, or materials? GJS

[LowPost42]

Re: drawing the ball

Not sure what to Qualify LP? The question was whether an in to out swing with an open face would produce a draw, I answered no and tried to justify why. The in to out swing is not really relevant, the open face in relation to the swing path (in to out, out to in etc is just the target path) will affect the direction the ball takes and the side spin generated.

'Open to' has to be qualified. Open to target can still be closed to the path - producing draw spin. But open to path will always produce cut spin. That's all. Personally, I have an out to in path of 10° relative to target. My face angle relative to target is 3° closed. Do I hit a slice or hook?

Does anyone have an opinion on whether, or not the brand name, manufacturing process, or the design of a club face makes shaping shots easier, and/or tougher to accomplish? How about about the many different types of shafts, or materials? GJS

I have facts that state that perimeter and sole weighting help reduce sidespin and increase backspin, making shots fly straighter...