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Re: Very Compact Backswing - Any Downside?
I agree with Neil18 I don't believe forearm roation is necessary, I don't believe it adds any significant speed to the clubhead, and I most definately belive that it decreases accuracy instead of increasing accuracy as Leverpowergolfer proposed.
Hogan's statements have been examined by many tour players and highly ranked instructors (Nick Price, Nick Faldo, Leadbetter, McLean, Butch Harmon, etc), and from what I recall pretty much everyone (of the top tour players and their teachers) that made reference to Hogan's wishing he had three right hand comments said they believed he was referring to firing thorugh the shot with the right side of the body once he reached hip high on the downswing.
To use more Hogan quotes:
"The actions of the arms is motiviated by the movements of the body, and the hands consciously do nothing but maintain a firm grip on the club." page 82
"The main thing for the novice or average golfer is to keep any conscious hand action out of his swing. The correct swing is founded on chain action , and if you use the hands when you shouldn't, you prevent this chain action." page 93
"Hit the ball as hard as you can with both hands... you must hit as hard with the left as with the right." page 99
Ben Hogan's Five Lessions The Modern Fundamentals of Golf
In addition the successful tour players and their instructors have repeatedly said the majority of the power in the swing comes from the big muscles of the body, and scientific and biomechanical studies support that statement. I have never heard or seen a good player or instructor say that the majority of power came from arm or hand rotation.
Rotating arms or hands in the swing (if even scientifically possible on the downswing - with all the other physics principles at work) would only change the degree of open to close (or closed to open) of the clubface (since it is a rotational movement). Rotational movement of the arms and hands would not increase speed of movement in a target side direction.
Conscious / forced manipulation of the rotation of open to closed (and the reverse) leads to inconsitencies in timing and natural motion, and that reduces accuracy.
All of that aside this topic was established to be about a compact backswing which has no correlation to forearm rotation on the downswing. Why was forearm downswinging brought into a backswing discussion?
Originally posted by Leverpowergolfer
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Originally posted by Neil18
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Hogan's statements have been examined by many tour players and highly ranked instructors (Nick Price, Nick Faldo, Leadbetter, McLean, Butch Harmon, etc), and from what I recall pretty much everyone (of the top tour players and their teachers) that made reference to Hogan's wishing he had three right hand comments said they believed he was referring to firing thorugh the shot with the right side of the body once he reached hip high on the downswing.
To use more Hogan quotes:
"The actions of the arms is motiviated by the movements of the body, and the hands consciously do nothing but maintain a firm grip on the club." page 82
"The main thing for the novice or average golfer is to keep any conscious hand action out of his swing. The correct swing is founded on chain action , and if you use the hands when you shouldn't, you prevent this chain action." page 93
"Hit the ball as hard as you can with both hands... you must hit as hard with the left as with the right." page 99
Ben Hogan's Five Lessions The Modern Fundamentals of Golf
In addition the successful tour players and their instructors have repeatedly said the majority of the power in the swing comes from the big muscles of the body, and scientific and biomechanical studies support that statement. I have never heard or seen a good player or instructor say that the majority of power came from arm or hand rotation.
Rotating arms or hands in the swing (if even scientifically possible on the downswing - with all the other physics principles at work) would only change the degree of open to close (or closed to open) of the clubface (since it is a rotational movement). Rotational movement of the arms and hands would not increase speed of movement in a target side direction.
Conscious / forced manipulation of the rotation of open to closed (and the reverse) leads to inconsitencies in timing and natural motion, and that reduces accuracy.
All of that aside this topic was established to be about a compact backswing which has no correlation to forearm rotation on the downswing. Why was forearm downswinging brought into a backswing discussion?
I have given more than enough proof, you have given only opinion.
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