Driving distance,old to new

[golfshooter]

Re: Driving distance,old to new

Hi Peter,

The two Martin Hall videos here, and many others of his lessons, are meant to give beginners and casual golfers basic principles and understanding of what wrist cock is, what the impact "position" should be, etc. He uses props frequently to clearly illustrate the points, which a beginner can easily understand and see. For instance, did all of you really know what the wrist cock was, without seeing it demonstrated by the hinges, or did you have some other idea which you picked up from seeing pictures and interpreting them. I know when I started golf, I thought that's simple, just take the ball back and swing. It was later that i found out that I was not getting the full benefit from the swing, because of simple principles like misconceptions regarding the grip and wrist cock.

I posted the videos, because it may seem simple to you, but it should help some beginner.

Ted

Hi Ted,
Appreciate all the input. Where are the videos that you have posted?
Can't find them
Am currently doing the free mini course from "Golf Secret Skills"
www.golfsecretskills.com. I'll keep you updated on the quality and if it helps.
Regards Peter

[golfshooter]

Re: Driving distance,old to new

Hi Ted, back again to tell you just sent me my next lesson,hello hello I have to pay for the super secret tips contained in a video.Hope that comes with a free set of steak knives!Anyway looking forward to your videos
Regards,Peter.

[rotator]

Re: Driving distance,old to new

Hi Peter,

The Martin Hall videos are on another thread, the one about "TGM, Accumulators, etc".

Look at my posts #29 and #40 in that thread.

Ha, ha, those super secret lessons are not given free are they. They lead you on, then hands out.

Ted

[golfshooter]

Re: Driving distance,old to new

HiTed
I dont know what I was on when I looked at those sites before but this time Iam finding them extremely usefull and I am learning heaps.By the way questions. How is the correct length of a driver determend and where are the measurements taken?I have heard around 43 inches is about right but surely it depends on the persons height and arm length.
Peter

[rotator]

Re: Driving distance,old to new

Hi Peter,

There is no set measurement guidelines for driver lengths. It altogether depends on the individual. You can be 5'5" and if you have good technique and you are strong enough, you could use a 52" long driver. Tall golfers, such as Stewart Cink, play regular length drivers and irons, and don't necessarily have to get longer clubs because of their height. Some pros play shorter lengths than the stock. (in the case of Anthony Kim, he has standard length clubs, but he chokes down 2-3 inches on every shot for every club.) The type of set-up and swing (for instance flat or upright) of the player may dictate what lengths he would be using.

It's just that the majority of casual golfers, because they have a flawed technique, or are not strong enough, or do not play often enough to groove the swing, would be better off with shorter lengths than the stock length drivers of 45-46 inches. The shorter club will make it easier to control the swing, and hit closer to the sweet spot, which will give you distance and accuracy.

Oh, to answer your question directly, the majority of casual golfers, with the limitations stated above, would benefit by playing 43" length. However, if you get your swing right, all things being equal, a longer driver will give your more distance. The trade-off may still be accuracy versus the 5 extra yards.

Peter, regarding the Martin Hall videos, I was shocked at your dismissal of them in your previous post. Like you said, I wondered what you were on. Did you find, for instance, your previous concept of wrist cock/bend, impact and release was not as demonstrated?

Ted

Ted

[golfshooter]

Re: Driving distance,old to new

Ted,
I really think I had looked at sooo many videos I got confused. The explanation using the hinges was a revalation!I thank you for that and it is now in my favorites for further study.Iwill still look at any other referance or instructional sites you have to offer.Golf has literally saved my life,I will tell you privately one day.The upshot is I practice on course once a week and play comp.twice a week.For 6 months it has been one full on learning curve.The biggest thrill aside from cleanly driving one down the fairway or sinking a ten footer has been winning some seconds and a first.My handycap is down to 16 and life is pretty good
Warm Regards,
Peter

[Mox]

Re: Driving distance,old to new

When you nut it, the drivers will go about the same (even 10 year old metal woods - even old persimmon drivers).

The big difference is when you miss it. When you miss it, drivers in the last 3 years have a significant edge, and there are some technologies (like those in the Mizuno MX600, the Adams A4 and the Wishon 919) that have the most forgiving face technologies in place.

Personally, I'd try to find an old Taylormade R540 - a tremendous driver in its day.

2 minor issues with this post.

1) There is no Mizuno MX600. There is an MX500, an MX560 and now an MX700, and there is an MP600 (With the movable weights), but no MX600. :-)

2) Also, the Taylormade R540 is most often non-conforming. That is important when "finding an old one".

Click here for a picture.

[golfshooter]

Re: Driving distance,old to new

Mox, I am still a beginner,what do you mean by non conforming?
regards Peter

[LowPost42]

Re: Driving distance,old to new

The COR of the driver may be .860 - illegal in competitions. The legal limit is .830.

[rotator]

Re: Driving distance,old to new

Mox,

If you look at the pictures, you will see the conforming head has the "grooves" extending across the middle of the face, whereas the nonconforming head does not have the grooves in the middle.

The thinner the face, all other things being equal, the more it maximizes the "trampoline effect" (higher COR). However, when the face become so thin, grooves in the striking zone could compromise the strength of the face (it could cave in). Therefore, the nonconforming head has no grooves in the middle.

If you are not playing in serious or sanctioned competitions, it is not a bother. However, if you have registered for one of these, it's a concern to you. ,
I'm not sure if all golf associations have now imposed the .83 COR limit.

The lack of grooves is not necessarily an indication the club has illegal COR. There are lists of non-conforming drivers on tthe USGA website. You will be surprised with the number of them.

Ted

[golfshooter]

Re: Driving distance,old to new

Thanks for the info low post and Ted ,even COR meant nothing to me.
Still Learning,Peter

[LowPost42]

Re: Driving distance,old to new

Ted, the USGA and the R&A have imposed the max COR limits - I'm not sure about the Pacific rim and China, though - apparently there's quite a market there for the .860's and the Wishon .90 OL.

Again, if you're never playing in a tournament or other sanctioned competition, it doesn't really matter.

[rotator]

Re: Driving distance,old to new

Hi LowPost42,

I figured the R&A adopted the limitation. They had to, because of the international mingling of events and players. I recall they held off for a while though.

Ted

[BrianW]

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The main difference between new titanium and the older drivers is that due to the light weight of titanium it is possible to create a much bigger clubhead for the same weight. A heaver clubhead will reduce swingspeed so there is a definate advantage with large titanium drivers in that can swing fast and your you miss-hits will punish you less.

I tend to agree with bill in that the older smaller steel head drivers were also good for use from the fairway. I was looking for a good Callaway- steelhead-2 a little while ago as I find it a very flexible club for driving and hitting low shots into the wind, I never found one though

[bill reed]

Re: Driving distance,old to new

hi
the thing that surprises me is there are not more handicap player using graphite shafted irons. at one time the flex in the shaft was a bit more than steel and the club was not as accurate as steel but now with irons being so forgiving and better Graphite shafts now and the extra club speed and the longer shaft i would think there would be more demand.
if i was getting fitted for new irons i would really think about Graphite shafts.
cheers
Bill