Slicing 3 Wood?

[GregJWillis]

Re: Slicing using the right hand drill

Turn through like mad with the driver, as far as you can, getting your chest to the target if possible at impact. Let the arms take a backseat to power here. They will get swung with plenty of power from the legs, hips, torso and shoulder rotation. You are slicing because the arms are winning the race to the ball.

[sipock]

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Greg.

"arms are winning the race to the ball." Thats the most accurate statement that ive heard in a long time. Classic!!

[gman4500]

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New(to me) training aid-http://www.impactmaster.com/. what you think?

[ThePuttKing]

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Would swatting of the right hand slightly on the upswing cause a slice ?

Anybody ??

[ThePuttKing]

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I played 9 holes today and I'm impressed by this method.

For years I've not been able to aim left with my driver and send the ball down that line and watch it fade back into the middle of the fairway. I used to aim left and when I hit the ball it would start off miles right of my target line.

[eddie3392]

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puttking,

I have been working hard on this and have figured out that you must now learn to fire the hips faster. That will straighten up the flight and direction of the ball. Greg might be able to shed more light but that is what I am finding out with the right hand drill.

[GregJWillis]

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That's right Eddie, this is really what the right hand drill is secretly about...allowing you to fully rotate through before impact...as I say in my video, "utilize you full rotational power".

If you tell someone to just rotate, and their hands have been tuned to swatting, you pull theball...hard. They start regripping, change the swing path...what ever they can to do keep swatting at it and roatate through while keeping it straight.

By staring at the hands first, you get the immediate benifit of the solidness of contact, then see where the ball goes. Too far to the right and you know they need to rotate more through. Too far to the left, and they were good rotaters, now probably only need to relax the right arm a little more. Easy changes from there.

But don't take all this a "gospel". Every player is different and at different stages, and other methods are all good in thrie own right. The trick is to find the one that works for you and stick to it.

[learning]

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This looks like what this article is talking about (I practice it with a long stick). http://www.golftipsmag.com/content/p...y/release.html

New(to me) training aid-http://www.impactmaster.com/. what you think?

[GregJWillis]

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Yep, this is a great article! Keep the hands and arms inside the body and just turn. No intentional rotation of the arms to close the face.

[learning]

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But I am confused.

One drill (Easy Release) seems to have my body turning with the club directly infront of my torso, so it turns with my chest/hips while maintaining the wrist cock and club face. This seems like the release is only as fast as your turn at the moment of impact, keeping everything relative. Your method with "the Right hand drill" has my shoulder and hips half way to the target at impact. I am trying to combine the 2 methods or harminize them to make a swing. Not sure what I am doing wrong.

[GregJWillis]

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Well, they are slightly different yes. What is common is that the arms are taking a backseat. The body position I want you in will have your shoulders and torso more open to the target at impact requiring the right hand to stay cocked back. The article has you more square to where you were at setup. The wrists still go up and down in both, it is only the body's position that is different. I like mine (because it is mine yes), but that it is a better way to generate more power. Turn harder and the ball goes further/highter. You really have to pick one or the other, trying to merge the two exactly will not make sense. But you can take from this the fact that the arms rotating do not square the face, the body-hand-wrist combo position does.

[eddie3392]

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Greg I have noticed in the week or so that I have been doing this drill that I personally caught on to the right hand drill concept but I was really surprised how much I did not use my legs or hips. I believe that I slowed them down because I hooked the ball so much, but last night I finally can tell you that I hit nothing left and I can certainly tell when I don't rotate into postion allowing the sync of my swing to square my club at impact. I hope I am on the right track! My other concern was releasing vertical at impact, but it seems that I don't think about releasing, I am actually thinking to turn my left hip faster and things fall into place. The right hand drill has given me enthusiasm to go practice and play more.


THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ubizmo]

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I may be wrong, but it seems to me that the "easy release" method that Rabito describes requires a different swing path from Greg's "open body" release.

One advantage of the ER method is that it's easy to understand. The position at address is essentially the position you want to return to at impact, and you need to keep the club face square to the target line as long as possible before and after impact. This is more or less what I've been trying to do for some time now, and when it works, it works. To do it, you have to really stretch out on the backswing, to make it as vertical as possible, because as soon as the club starts to come inside, the club face begins to open up. The danger is that if you don't succeed with this, you'll very likely hit a push. If the body is square at impact and the club is coming from the inside, the club face is open. Push.

I've done this too many times to count, and people who watch my swing always say the same thing: "Your swing looks okay but you're not getting your hips around and that's why the ball is going off to the right." And Greg is also correct to point out that you can't get a lot of distance this way.

With Greg's method, it's almost as if the hips and shoulders are pulling, or whipping, the arms through the impact zone. It feels to me that the club can then come a little more from inside, and the body rotation will square up the club face through the impact zone. The difference in power generated is palpable.

This is how I understand it anyway. I can't do either one consistently but I'm having better luck with Greg's method lately, possibly thanks to the "spatula Secret". Also, when I'm playing, if I have times when I'm just waiting, I do the right-hand drill without a ball, just taking small swings and clipping the grass, to keep the feeling. I use the mental image of raking leaves or sweeping, to keep the feeling of the hands leading or "pulling" the club head, just as the hands pull the rake or broom.

[learning]

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I got it, I spent alot of time at the range yesterday and thank god a pro help me figure out what the hell I was doing, I did sort of reconcile the 2 methods by:

Coming through like Gregs method, bringing the shoulder and hips through the ball and stopping, then let the arms and club whip through with the cocked wrist, when It cathes up to my body line (with my buttons and chest) I continue the turn through till I am facing the target and follow through, nice!!!!

I think this is more of Gregs method,

[vectorinvestor]

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I've been trying this right hand method now for a few days at the range. When I miss its generally a push, from reading these post I'm guessing thats not rotating fast enough.

I also use a video camera and can say I was a known swatter with a chicken wing. I can say this, after using this right hand method for a few days and doing a side camera shot I am very impressed with the results. I now have a straight arm at impact, head behind the ball, and no flipping.

My only concern was the clubhead after passing impact. It looks like maybe I am holding on too long with the cupped wrist as the clubhead is not rolling over. I guess this goes back to the release, how do you release the club using this right hand drill?

Greg,

I've also seen some people and you yourself mention Normans secret. this device though would keep a right cupped wrist even during the follow through, is this correct? It looks like pros half way downline have full arm, wrist extension whereby nothing is cupped or bent.

thanks,